Pete and Ben; Thank you both so much for helping. The problem is everything is getting through. The problem is it is so slow that it essentially times out waiting on the client boxes. So I'll only get say 10 to 20% of a web page before it finally stops. Further my same rules were fine for almost a year then suddenly it slowed waaaaaaaay down. It hasn't stopped just so slow as to be non-responsive. When I turn iptables off then I can't ping beyond the router. Iptables -L hain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination The output to iptables -L is above. I'll get the rest of the data later as I'm currently in the middle of downloading Fedora Core 2 and don't want to interrupt the download, and will proceed to rebuild my server if I can't figure this out! (that will show it who is boss!) Jo -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:redhat-list-request@xxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list