Hey all something entertaining for you guys... off topic. Hope no one minds. While I still remain quite technologically agnostic (most of the time), I still maintain that for most cases windows is better kept on the desktop and out of the data center. So there's a programmer here I joke around with. He has a laptop and desktop both running XP Pro and he's programming a java mail client to talk to our redhat linux mail server port 25. It stopped working this afternoon (around 3pm) and around 4:30pm he asks me what we did to the mail server. Short debugging shows that laptop and desktop both can ping the mail server. Desktop gets a connection telnetting to port 25 on mail server. Laptop doesn't get the connection. I'm confident the mail server is fine, we had no reason to touch it this afternoon. "Oh come on you guys changed something-..." (At this time I was reading the SAMBA how-to collection with the nice quote about Microsoft from Linus Torvalds so you can tell what kind of mindset I'm in ) (P.S. I will append the quote at the bottom. It's quite LONG but good reading) "Hey, isn't your laptop Windows?" "Yeah." "Reboot it." "What? Come on." "No seriously." "Give me a legit reason." "You're running on windows.. that's legit." And I get to feeling a little daring. "Come on, I'll give you even odds it'll be fixed when you reboot" Moral of the story.. if you do want to make money, try to sucker them in with better odds. Like 3 to 1 or something. :) Maybe that way they'll take the bet. Yes, for some reason it worked after rebooting. Cheers- Ben Yau Here's the quote (it is in the SAMBA How-To Collection.pdf in chapter 1) ** What's fundamentally wrong is that nobody ever had any taste when they has been very much into making the user interface look good, but internally complete mess. And even people who program for Microsoft and who have had experience, just don't know how it works internally. Worse, nobody dares change dares to fix bugs because it's such a mess that fixing one bug might just programs that depend on that bug. And Microsoft isn't interested in anyone they're interested in making money. They don't have anybody who takes pride 95 as an operating system. People inside Microsoft know it's a bad operating system and they still continue working on it because they want to get the next version out because they these new features to sell more copies of the system. The problem with that is that over time, when you have this kind of approach, nobody understands it, because nobody REALLY fixes bugs (other than when obvious), the end result is really messy. You can't trust it because under circumstances it just spontaneously reboots or just halts in the middle of something strange. Normally it works fine and then once in a blue moon for some completely reason, it's dead, and nobody knows why. Not Microsoft, not the experienced certainly not the completely clueless user who probably sits there shivering thinking I do wrong?" when they didn't do anything wrong at all. That's what's really irritating to me." - Linus Torvalds, from an interview with BOOT Magazine, Sept 1998 ** -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:redhat-list-request@xxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
