On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 05:30:52AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > If there is a real need, something needs to be provided to meet that
> > > need. But in the absence of a real need, past experience has shown
> > > that speculative tuning knobs usually do more harm than good. ;-)
> >
> > It makes sense, "A speculative tuning knobs do more harm than good".
> >
> > Then, it would be better to leave jiffies_till_{first,next}_fqs tunnable
> > but jiffies_till_sched_qs until we need it.
> >
> > However,
> >
> > (1) In case that jiffies_till_sched_qs is tunnable:
> >
> > We might need all of jiffies_till_{first,next}_qs,
> > jiffies_till_sched_qs and jiffies_to_sched_qs because
> > jiffies_to_sched_qs can be affected by any of them. So we
> > should be able to read each value at any time.
> >
> > (2) In case that jiffies_till_sched_qs is not tunnable:
> >
> > I think we don't have to keep the jiffies_till_sched_qs any
> > longer since that's only for setting jiffies_to_sched_qs at
> > *booting time*, which can be done with jiffies_to_sched_qs too.
> > It's meaningless to keep all of tree variables.
> >
> > The simpler and less knobs that we really need we have, the better.
> >
> > what do you think about it?
> >
> > In the following patch, I (1) removed jiffies_till_sched_qs and then
> > (2) renamed jiffies_*to*_sched_qs to jiffies_*till*_sched_qs because I
> > think jiffies_till_sched_qs is a much better name for the purpose. I
> > will resend it with a commit msg after knowing your opinion on it.
Hi Paul,
> I will give you a definite "maybe".
>
> Here are the two reasons for changing RCU's embarrassingly large array
> of tuning parameters:
>
> 1. They are causing a problem in production. This would represent a
> bug that clearly must be fixed. As you say, this change is not
> in this category.
>
> 2. The change simplifies either RCU's code or the process of tuning
> RCU, but without degrading RCU's ability to run everywhere and
> without removing debugging tools.
Agree.
> The change below clearly simplifies things by removing a few lines of
> code, and it does not change RCU's default self-configuration. But are
> we sure about the debugging aspect? (Please keep in mind that many more
I'm sorry I don't get it. I don't think this patch affect any debugging
ability. What do you think it hurts? Could you explain it more?
> sites are willing to change boot parameters than are willing to patch
> their kernels.)
Right.
> What do you think?
>
> Finally, I urge you to join with Joel Fernandes and go through these
> grace-period-duration tuning parameters. Once you guys get your heads
> completely around all of them and how they interact across the different
> possible RCU configurations, I bet that the two of you will have excellent
> ideas for improvement.
Great. I'd be happy if I join the improvement and with Joel. I might
need to ask you exactly what you expect in detail maybe. Anyway I will
willingly go with it. :)
Thanks,
Byungchul
> Thanx, Paul
>
> > Thanks,
> > Byungchul
> >
> > ---8<---
> > diff --git a/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt b/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt
> > index e72c184..94b58f5 100644
> > --- a/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt
> > +++ b/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt
> > @@ -3792,10 +3792,6 @@
> > a value based on the most recent settings
> > of rcutree.jiffies_till_first_fqs
> > and rcutree.jiffies_till_next_fqs.
> > - This calculated value may be viewed in
> > - rcutree.jiffies_to_sched_qs. Any attempt to set
> > - rcutree.jiffies_to_sched_qs will be cheerfully
> > - overwritten.
> >
> > rcutree.kthread_prio= [KNL,BOOT]
> > Set the SCHED_FIFO priority of the RCU per-CPU
> > diff --git a/kernel/rcu/tree.c b/kernel/rcu/tree.c
> > index a2f8ba2..ad9dc86 100644
> > --- a/kernel/rcu/tree.c
> > +++ b/kernel/rcu/tree.c
> > @@ -421,10 +421,8 @@ static int rcu_is_cpu_rrupt_from_idle(void)
> > * How long the grace period must be before we start recruiting
> > * quiescent-state help from rcu_note_context_switch().
> > */
> > -static ulong jiffies_till_sched_qs = ULONG_MAX;
> > +static ulong jiffies_till_sched_qs = ULONG_MAX; /* See adjust_jiffies_till_sched_qs(). */
> > module_param(jiffies_till_sched_qs, ulong, 0444);
> > -static ulong jiffies_to_sched_qs; /* See adjust_jiffies_till_sched_qs(). */
> > -module_param(jiffies_to_sched_qs, ulong, 0444); /* Display only! */
> >
> > /*
> > * Make sure that we give the grace-period kthread time to detect any
> > @@ -436,18 +434,13 @@ static void adjust_jiffies_till_sched_qs(void)
> > {
> > unsigned long j;
> >
> > - /* If jiffies_till_sched_qs was specified, respect the request. */
> > - if (jiffies_till_sched_qs != ULONG_MAX) {
> > - WRITE_ONCE(jiffies_to_sched_qs, jiffies_till_sched_qs);
> > - return;
> > - }
> > /* Otherwise, set to third fqs scan, but bound below on large system. */
> > j = READ_ONCE(jiffies_till_first_fqs) +
> > 2 * READ_ONCE(jiffies_till_next_fqs);
> > if (j < HZ / 10 + nr_cpu_ids / RCU_JIFFIES_FQS_DIV)
> > j = HZ / 10 + nr_cpu_ids / RCU_JIFFIES_FQS_DIV;
> > pr_info("RCU calculated value of scheduler-enlistment delay is %ld jiffies.\n", j);
> > - WRITE_ONCE(jiffies_to_sched_qs, j);
> > + WRITE_ONCE(jiffies_till_sched_qs, j);
> > }
> >
> > static int param_set_first_fqs_jiffies(const char *val, const struct kernel_param *kp)
> > @@ -1033,16 +1026,16 @@ static int rcu_implicit_dynticks_qs(struct rcu_data *rdp)
> >
> > /*
> > * A CPU running for an extended time within the kernel can
> > - * delay RCU grace periods: (1) At age jiffies_to_sched_qs,
> > - * set .rcu_urgent_qs, (2) At age 2*jiffies_to_sched_qs, set
> > + * delay RCU grace periods: (1) At age jiffies_till_sched_qs,
> > + * set .rcu_urgent_qs, (2) At age 2*jiffies_till_sched_qs, set
> > * both .rcu_need_heavy_qs and .rcu_urgent_qs. Note that the
> > * unsynchronized assignments to the per-CPU rcu_need_heavy_qs
> > * variable are safe because the assignments are repeated if this
> > * CPU failed to pass through a quiescent state. This code
> > - * also checks .jiffies_resched in case jiffies_to_sched_qs
> > + * also checks .jiffies_resched in case jiffies_till_sched_qs
> > * is set way high.
> > */
> > - jtsq = READ_ONCE(jiffies_to_sched_qs);
> > + jtsq = READ_ONCE(jiffies_till_sched_qs);
> > ruqp = per_cpu_ptr(&rcu_data.rcu_urgent_qs, rdp->cpu);
> > rnhqp = &per_cpu(rcu_data.rcu_need_heavy_qs, rdp->cpu);
> > if (!READ_ONCE(*rnhqp) &&
> > @@ -3383,7 +3376,8 @@ static void __init rcu_init_geometry(void)
> > jiffies_till_first_fqs = d;
> > if (jiffies_till_next_fqs == ULONG_MAX)
> > jiffies_till_next_fqs = d;
> > - adjust_jiffies_till_sched_qs();
> > + if (jiffies_till_sched_qs == ULONG_MAX)
> > + adjust_jiffies_till_sched_qs();
> >
> > /* If the compile-time values are accurate, just leave. */
> > if (rcu_fanout_leaf == RCU_FANOUT_LEAF &&
