Hi Neil, On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 03:32:42PM +1100, NeilBrown wrote: > If you still want to get to the bottom of this, you might need to revert > your work-around, the try the "udevadm monitor" and "udevadm info" and "udevadm > trigger" while the array is not assembled. I have reverted my addition of "mpt3sas" from /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and rebooted, so that md5 is again not assembled. Result of udevadm info /dev/sdc P: /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:01:00.0/host10/port-10:0/end_device-10:0/target10:0:0/10:0:0:0/block/sdc N: sdc S: disk/by-id/ata-SAMSUNG_MZ7KM1T9HAJM-00005_S2HNNAAH200633 S: disk/by-id/wwn-0x5002538c0007e7a8 S: disk/by-path/pci-0000:01:00.0-sas-0x4433221100000000-lun-0 E: DEVLINKS=/dev/disk/by-id/ata-SAMSUNG_MZ7KM1T9HAJM-00005_S2HNNAAH200633 /dev/disk/by-id/wwn-0x5002538c0007e7a8 /dev/disk/by-path/pci-0000:01:00.0-sas-0x4433221100000000-lun-0 E: DEVNAME=/dev/sdc E: DEVPATH=/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:01:00.0/host10/port-10:0/end_device-10:0/target10:0:0/10:0:0:0/block/sdc E: DEVTYPE=disk E: ID_ATA=1 E: ID_ATA_DOWNLOAD_MICROCODE=1 E: ID_ATA_FEATURE_SET_HPA=1 E: ID_ATA_FEATURE_SET_HPA_ENABLED=1 E: ID_ATA_FEATURE_SET_PM=1 E: ID_ATA_FEATURE_SET_PM_ENABLED=1 E: ID_ATA_FEATURE_SET_SECURITY=1 E: ID_ATA_FEATURE_SET_SECURITY_ENABLED=0 E: ID_ATA_FEATURE_SET_SECURITY_ENHANCED_ERASE_UNIT_MIN=32 E: ID_ATA_FEATURE_SET_SECURITY_ERASE_UNIT_MIN=32 E: ID_ATA_FEATURE_SET_SMART=1 E: ID_ATA_FEATURE_SET_SMART_ENABLED=1 E: ID_ATA_ROTATION_RATE_RPM=0 E: ID_ATA_SATA=1 E: ID_ATA_SATA_SIGNAL_RATE_GEN1=1 E: ID_ATA_SATA_SIGNAL_RATE_GEN2=1 E: ID_ATA_WRITE_CACHE=1 E: ID_ATA_WRITE_CACHE_ENABLED=1 E: ID_BUS=ata E: ID_FS_LABEL=tbd:5 E: ID_FS_LABEL_ENC=tbd:5 E: ID_FS_TYPE=linux_raid_member E: ID_FS_USAGE=raid E: ID_FS_UUID=957030cf-c09f-023d-ceae-bb27e546f095 E: ID_FS_UUID_ENC=957030cf-c09f-023d-ceae-bb27e546f095 E: ID_FS_UUID_SUB=4ac82c29-2d10-9465-7fff-9b228c411c1e E: ID_FS_VERSION=1.2 E: ID_MODEL=SAMSUNG_MZ7KM1T9HAJM-00005 E: ID_MODEL_ENC=SAMSUNG\x20MZ7KM1T9HAJM-00005\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20 E: ID_PATH=pci-0000:01:00.0-sas-0x4433221100000000-lun-0 E: ID_PATH_TAG=pci-0000_01_00_0-sas-0x4433221100000000-lun-0 E: ID_REVISION=GXM1003Q E: ID_SERIAL=SAMSUNG_MZ7KM1T9HAJM-00005_S2HNNAAH200633 E: ID_SERIAL_SHORT=S2HNNAAH200633 E: ID_TYPE=disk E: ID_WWN=0x5002538c0007e7a8 E: ID_WWN_WITH_EXTENSION=0x5002538c0007e7a8 E: MAJOR=8 E: MINOR=32 E: SUBSYSTEM=block E: TAGS=:systemd: E: USEC_INITIALIZED=43226 I then issued echo change > /sys/block/sdc/uevent and echo change > /sys/block/sdd/uevent which resulted in the monitor showing: KERNEL[572.956390] change /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:01:00.0/host10/port-10:0/end_device-10:0/target10:0:0/10:0:0:0/block/sdc (block) UDEV [572.960256] change /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:01:00.0/host10/port-10:0/end_device-10:0/target10:0:0/10:0:0:0/block/sdc (block) KERNEL[593.140178] change /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:01:00.0/host10/port-10:1/end_device-10:1/target10:0:1/10:0:1:0/block/sdd (block) UDEV [593.143824] change /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:01:00.0/host10/port-10:1/end_device-10:1/target10:0:1/10:0:1:0/block/sdd (block) But no assembly of md5. Afterwards, udevadm info /dev/sdc showed: P: /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:01:00.0/host10/port-10:0/end_device-10:0/target10:0:0/10:0:0:0/block/sdc N: sdc S: disk/by-id/ata-SAMSUNG_MZ7KM1T9HAJM-00005_S2HNNAAH200633 S: disk/by-id/wwn-0x5002538c0007e7a8 S: disk/by-path/pci-0000:01:00.0-sas-0x4433221100000000-lun-0 E: DEVLINKS=/dev/disk/by-id/ata-SAMSUNG_MZ7KM1T9HAJM-00005_S2HNNAAH200633 /dev/disk/by-id/wwn-0x5002538c0007e7a8 /dev/disk/by-path/pci-0000:01:00.0-sas-0x4433221100000000-lun-0 E: DEVNAME=/dev/sdc E: DEVPATH=/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:01:00.0/host10/port-10:0/end_device-10:0/target10:0:0/10:0:0:0/block/sdc E: DEVTYPE=disk E: ID_ATA=1 E: ID_ATA_DOWNLOAD_MICROCODE=1 E: ID_ATA_FEATURE_SET_HPA=1 E: ID_ATA_FEATURE_SET_HPA_ENABLED=1 E: ID_ATA_FEATURE_SET_PM=1 E: ID_ATA_FEATURE_SET_PM_ENABLED=1 E: ID_ATA_FEATURE_SET_SECURITY=1 E: ID_ATA_FEATURE_SET_SECURITY_ENABLED=0 E: ID_ATA_FEATURE_SET_SECURITY_ENHANCED_ERASE_UNIT_MIN=32 E: ID_ATA_FEATURE_SET_SECURITY_ERASE_UNIT_MIN=32 E: ID_ATA_FEATURE_SET_SMART=1 E: ID_ATA_FEATURE_SET_SMART_ENABLED=1 E: ID_ATA_ROTATION_RATE_RPM=0 E: ID_ATA_SATA=1 E: ID_ATA_SATA_SIGNAL_RATE_GEN1=1 E: ID_ATA_SATA_SIGNAL_RATE_GEN2=1 E: ID_ATA_WRITE_CACHE=1 E: ID_ATA_WRITE_CACHE_ENABLED=1 E: ID_BUS=ata E: ID_FS_LABEL=tbd:5 E: ID_FS_LABEL_ENC=tbd:5 E: ID_FS_TYPE=linux_raid_member E: ID_FS_USAGE=raid E: ID_FS_UUID=957030cf-c09f-023d-ceae-bb27e546f095 E: ID_FS_UUID_ENC=957030cf-c09f-023d-ceae-bb27e546f095 E: ID_FS_UUID_SUB=4ac82c29-2d10-9465-7fff-9b228c411c1e E: ID_FS_UUID_SUB_ENC=4ac82c29-2d10-9465-7fff-9b228c411c1e E: ID_FS_VERSION=1.2 E: ID_MODEL=SAMSUNG_MZ7KM1T9HAJM-00005 E: ID_MODEL_ENC=SAMSUNG\x20MZ7KM1T9HAJM-00005\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20 E: ID_PATH=pci-0000:01:00.0-sas-0x4433221100000000-lun-0 E: ID_PATH_TAG=pci-0000_01_00_0-sas-0x4433221100000000-lun-0 E: ID_REVISION=GXM1003Q E: ID_SERIAL=SAMSUNG_MZ7KM1T9HAJM-00005_S2HNNAAH200633 E: ID_SERIAL_SHORT=S2HNNAAH200633 E: ID_TYPE=disk E: ID_WWN=0x5002538c0007e7a8 E: ID_WWN_WITH_EXTENSION=0x5002538c0007e7a8 E: MAJOR=8 E: MINOR=32 E: SUBSYSTEM=block E: TAGS=:systemd: E: USEC_INITIALIZED=43226 Thanks, Andy -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-raid" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html