2012/8/23 Jianpeng Ma <majianpeng@xxxxxxxxx>: > On 2012-08-23 14:08 Shaohua Li <shli@xxxxxxxxxx> Wrote: >>2012/8/16 Shaohua Li <shli@xxxxxxxxxx>: >>> 2012/8/16 Jianpeng Ma <majianpeng@xxxxxxxxx>: >>>> On 2012-08-15 09:44 Shaohua Li <shli@xxxxxxxxxx> Wrote: >>>>>On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:56:10AM +1000, NeilBrown wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:33:43 +0800 Shaohua Li <shli@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> > On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 01:07:01PM +0800, Shaohua Li wrote: >>>>>> > > 2012/8/9 NeilBrown <neilb@xxxxxxx>: >>>>>> > > > On Thu, 9 Aug 2012 09:20:05 +0800 "Jianpeng Ma" <majianpeng@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > >> On 2012-08-08 20:53 Shaohua Li <shli@xxxxxxxxxx> Wrote: >>>>>> > > >> >2012/8/8 Jianpeng Ma <majianpeng@xxxxxxxxx>: >>>>>> > > >> >> On 2012-08-08 10:58 Shaohua Li <shli@xxxxxxxxxx> Wrote: >>>>>> > > >> >>>2012/8/7 Jianpeng Ma <majianpeng@xxxxxxxxx>: >>>>>> > > >> >>>> On 2012-08-07 13:32 Shaohua Li <shli@xxxxxxxxxx> Wrote: >>>>>> > > >> >>>>>2012/8/7 Jianpeng Ma <majianpeng@xxxxxxxxx>: >>>>>> > > >> >>>>>> On 2012-08-07 11:22 Shaohua Li <shli@xxxxxxxxxx> Wrote: >>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>My directIO randomwrite 4k workload shows a 10~20% regression caused by commit >>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>895e3c5c58a80bb. directIO usually is random IO and if request size isn't big >>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>(which is the common case), delay handling of the stripe hasn't any advantages. >>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>For big size request, delay can still reduce IO. >>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>Signed-off-by: Shaohua Li <shli@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>> > > >> >>>> [snip] >>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>-- >>>>>> > > >> >>>>>> May be used size to judge is not a good method. >>>>>> > > >> >>>>>> I firstly sended this patch, only want to control direct-write-block,not for reqular file. >>>>>> > > >> >>>>>> Because i think if someone used direct-write-block for raid5,he should know the feature of raid5 and he can control >>>>>> > > >> >>>>>> for write to full-write. >>>>>> > > >> >>>>>> But at that time, i did know how to differentiate between regular file and block-device. >>>>>> > > >> >>>>>> I thik we should do something to do this. >>>>>> > > >> >>>>> >>>>>> > > >> >>>>>I don't think it's possible user can control his write to be a >>>>>> > > >> >>>>>full-write even for >>>>>> > > >> >>>>>raw disk IO. Why regular file and block device io matters here? >>>>>> > > >> >>>>> >>>>>> > > >> >>>>>Thanks, >>>>>> > > >> >>>>>Shaohua >>>>>> > > >> >>>> Another problem is the size. How to judge the size is large or not? >>>>>> > > >> >>>> A syscall write is a dio and a dio may be split more bios. >>>>>> > > >> >>>> For my workload, i usualy write chunk-size. >>>>>> > > >> >>>> But your patch is judge by bio-size. >>>>>> > > >> >>> >>>>>> > > >> >>>I'd ignore workload which does sequential directIO, though >>>>>> > > >> >>>your workload is, but I bet no real workloads are. So I'd like >>>>>> > > >> >> Sorry,my explain maybe not corcrect. I write data once which size is almost chunks-size * devices,in order to full-write >>>>>> > > >> >> and as possible as to no pre-read operation. >>>>>> > > >> >>>only to consider big size random directio. I agree the size >>>>>> > > >> >>>judge is arbitrary. I can optimize it to be only consider stripe >>>>>> > > >> >>>which hits two or more disks in one bio, but not sure if it's >>>>>> > > >> >>>worthy doing. Not ware big size directio is common, and even >>>>>> > > >> >>>is, big size request IOPS is low, a bit delay maybe not a big >>>>>> > > >> >>>deal. >>>>>> > > >> >> If add a acc_time for 'striep_head' to control? >>>>>> > > >> >> When get_active_stripe() is ok, update acc_time. >>>>>> > > >> >> For some time, stripe_head did not access and it shold pre-read. >>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>> > > >> >Do you want to add a timer for each stripe? This is even ugly. >>>>>> > > >> >How do you choose the expire time? A time works for harddisk >>>>>> > > >> >definitely will not work for a fast SSD. >>>>>> > > >> A time is like the size which is arbitrary. >>>>>> > > >> How about add a interface in sysfs to control by user? >>>>>> > > >> Only user can judge the workload, which sequatial write or random write. >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > This is getting worse by the minute. A sysfs interface for this is >>>>>> > > > definitely not a good idea. >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > The REQ_NOIDLE flag is a pretty clear statement that no more requests that >>>>>> > > > merge with this one are expected. If some use cases sends random requests, >>>>>> > > > maybe it should be setting REQ_NOIDLE. >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > Maybe someone should do some research and find out why WRITE_ODIRECT doesn't >>>>>> > > > include REQ_NOIDLE. Understanding that would help understand the current >>>>>> > > > problem. >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > A quick search shows only cfq-iosched uses REQ_NOIDLE. In >>>>>> > > cfq, a queue is idled to avoid losing its share. REQ_NOIDLE >>>>>> > > tells cfq to avoid idle, since the task will not dispatch further >>>>>> > > requests any more. Note this isn't no merge. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Since REQ_NOIDLE has no relationship with request merge, we'd better remove it. >>>>>> > I came out a new patch, which doesn't depend on request size any more. With >>>>>> > this patch, sequential directio will still introduce unnecessary raid5 preread >>>>>> > (especially for small size IO), but I bet no app does sequential small size >>>>>> > directIO. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Thanks, >>>>>> > Shaohua >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Subject: raid5: fix directio regression >>>>>> > >>>>>> > My directIO randomwrite 4k workload shows a 10~20% regression caused by commit >>>>>> > 895e3c5c58a80bb. This commit isn't friendly for small size random IO, because >>>>>> > delaying such request hasn't any advantages. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > DirectIO usually is random IO. I thought we can ignore request merge between >>>>>> > bios from different io_submit. So we only consider one bio which can drive >>>>>> > unnecessary preread in raid5, which is large request. If a bio is large enough >>>>>> > and some of its stripes will access two or more disks, such stripes should be >>>>>> > delayed to avoid unnecessary preread till bio for the last disk of the strips >>>>>> > is added. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > REQ_NOIDLE doesn't mean about request merge, I deleted it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> Have you tested what effect this has on large sequential direct writes? >>>>>> Because it don't make sense to me and I would be surprised if it improves >>>>>> things. >>>>>> >>>>>> You are delaying setting the STRIPE_PREREAD_ACTIVE bit until you think you >>>>>> have submitted all the writes from this bio that apply to the give stripe. >>>>>> That does make some sense, however it doesn't seem to deal with the >>>>>> possibility that the one bio covers parts of two different stripes. In that >>>>>> case the first stripe never gets STRIPE_PREREAD_ACTIVE set, so it is delayed >>>>>> despite having 'REQ_SYNC' set. >>>>> >>>>>I didn't get your point. Isn't last_sector - logical_sector < chunk_sectors true >>>>>in the case? >>>>> >>>>>> Also, and more significantly, plugging should mean that the various >>>>>> stripe_heads are not even looked at until all of the original bio is >>>>>> processed, so while STRIPE_PREREAD_ACTIVE might get set early, it should not >>>>>> get processed until the whole bio is processed and the queue is unplugged. >>>>>> >>>>>> So I don't think this patch should make a difference on large direct writes, >>>>>> and if it does then something strange is going on that I'd like to >>>>>> understand first. >>>>> >>>>>Aha, ok, this makes sense. recent delayed stripe release should make the >>>>>problem go away. So Jianpeng, can you try your workload with the commit >>>>>reverted with a recent kernel please? >>>>> >>>> I tested used your patch in my workload. >>>> Like the neil said, the performance does not regress. >>>> But if the code is : >>>>> if (test_bit(STRIPE_PREREAD_ACTIVE, &sh->state)) >>>>> release_stripe(sh); >>>>> else >>>>> release_stripe_plug(mddev, sh); >>>> The speed is about 76MB/s.With those code the speed is 200MB/s. >>> >>> Hmm, what I want to test is upstream kernel with commit 895e3c5c58a80bb >>> reverted. don't apply my patch. We want to just revert the commit. >> >>Did you have data for your original workload with 895e3c5c58a80bb >>reverted now? > our raid5 which had 14 SATA HDDs. > > with 895e3c5c58a80bb reverted: > using dd to test 55MB/s > using our-fs 200-250Mb/s > > with 895e3c5c58a80bb: > using dd to test 275MB/s > using our-fs 500-550Mb/s what's block size of dd in this test? In your original test, your BS covers chunk_sector*data_disks. In that case, 895e3c5c58a80bb is likely not required. I guess you are using a smaller bs this time, so we need merge different bios to a stripe overwrite? -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-raid" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
