On 5/10/2012 4:31 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote: > Actually, the TLER term is mentioned elsewhere, for example the Adaptec > blog I came across The term "Time-Limited Error Recovery" (TLER) was introduced to the world by Western Digital on August 3, 2004, almost 8 years ago. They introduced the term in their press release announcing their (then) new RAID Edition (RE) serial ATA drives. http://www.wdc.com/en/company/pressroom/releases.aspx?release=3f62e91b-288b-4852-8f6c-5abe507ec8dd This term is exclusive to Western Digital Corporation. It does not apply to any other vendors' hard drives, nor any other product of any kind. It is not a general term for a function. The general term for this function is called Error Recovery Control (ERC). If anyone applies this term to any drive other than a WDC model, using it as a general term, then s/he is uninformed and using the term incorrectly. I do not currently, nor have I ever, worked for WDC. I simply hate marketing buzzwords, and hate even more people's misuse of such marketing buzzwords. > Economists often talk about price selectivity, e.g. the coffee shops > that charge an extra pound/euro/dollar for `organic' coffee. Does it > really cost an extra pound to produce one teaspoon of coffee in an > organic way? Of course not, it's just a gimmick to extract an extra > pound from people who won't lose any sleep over spending an extra pound. Price gouging for gourmet coffee isn't an apt analogue of the disk drive business. Manufacturers do make more profit per enterprise SATA drive than they do desktop SATA drives. But the overall cost difference has nothing to do with price gouging, nor this additional profit. The cost difference is due to the following factors: 1. Vastly lower numbers produced, on the order of 1000:1 We're all familiar with economy of scale yes? 2. Firmware features that are developed for a handful of drive models. The R&D dollars expended for this are spread over far fewer units sold, yet require an order of magnitude more verification work 3. Compatibility testing and verification with hundreds of PCIe RAID controllers and HBAs, standalone RAID enclosures w/onboard controllers, JBOD chassis with and without SAS expanders, iSCSI and Fiber Channel arrays, etc, etc, etc. 4. A greatly enhanced and more time consuming QC process for the drive hardware and firmware #3 and #4 account for the majority of the cost premium of an enterprise SATA drive vs a desktop SATA drive. Labor is typically the most costly aspect of manufacturing for electronics products. 3/4 are extremely labor/time intensive. > I'm going the opposite direction, trying to move away from > cheap drives - but I don't want to invest heavily in something that is > > a) just a marketing gimmick Enterprise drives aren't a marketing gimmick. Some of the merketing language surrounding them is, but that's always the case with marketing. > b) not going to do me any good if md doesn't exercise the special > features of the hardware If you will not be using a server nor JBOD chassis with an SAS expander backplane for which your hard drives are certified, then there is little benefit for you WRT enterprise SATA drives and md raid, other than overall increased quality and a longer warranty. >> Either that, or md raid is only used by hobbyists. ;) >> > Better a hobbyist running Linux than a professional running Windows with > fakeraid Heheh, no doubt. For those who don't grasp the tongue-in-cheek nature of it, my stating "md raid is only used by hobbyists" is obviously not a literal face value statement. There are dozens of enterprise NAS products on the market that ship using md raid, and there are plenty of enterprise size/caliber IT shops that use mdraid, though probably not exclusively. There are many more than use md raid striping or concatenation to stitch together multiple hardware RAID logical drives and/or SAN LUNs. The statement is also meant to poke the ribs of the pure hobbyist users in an attempt to get them more into an enterprise way of approaching RAID implementation and management. -- Stan -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-raid" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
