It would be handy if someone would do an extended test of all of the disk drives. Consumer Reports does this type of thing all the time, just not on disk drives. I don't think they do any extended tests on any computer hardware. The testing should continue for 5 years. And it could be mostly automated. No user interaction unless something goes wrong. Now we need someone with money! :) Guy -----Original Message----- From: linux-raid-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:linux-raid-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mark Klarzynski Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 6:46 AM To: linux-raid@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: good drive / bad drive (maxtor topic) In the world of hardware raid we decide that a drive has failed based on various criteria, one of which is the obvious 'has the drive responded' within a set time. This set time various depending on the drive, the application, the load etc. This 'timeout' value is realistically between 6 and 10 seconds. There is no real formula, just lots of experience. Set it too short and drives will look failed too often, set it too long and you risk allowing a suspect drive to continue. Once we detect a timeout we have to decide what to with it. in SCSI we issue a scsi bus rest (hardware reset on the bus).. the reason we do this (and all hardware raid manufactures) is because life is just that way. drives do lock up. We issue up to 3 resets, and then fail. This is extremely effective and does exactly what it is supposed to do. Often the drive will never cause an issue again. if it is faulty then it will escalate and fail. We have utilised countless sata drives, and timeouts are by far the most significant failure we see and as sata (although its hard to tell much else on sata).. but it is therefore imperative that the timeout values are correct for the drive and the application. But the point is that we do not see anywhere near the failure rates on the Maxtor's that you guys are mentioning. Also, if we trial sata's on different hardware RAID's we see differing failure rates... (i.e. ICP come in higher then 3ware, which are higher than the host independent raids we have tested and so on) So I am wondering if it is worth thinking about the timeout values? And what do you do once the drive has timed out? I am seeing some tremendous work going on in this group and without a doubt this community is going to propel MD to enterprise level raid one day. so this is honestly meant as constructive and is based on way too many years designing raid solutions. i.e. I'm not looking to start an argument simply offering some information. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-raid" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-raid" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
