Tanu Kaskinen <tanu.kaskinen at linux.intel.com> [2014-10-06 13:58:09 +0300]:
> On Mon, 2014-10-06 at 12:46 +0200, David Henningsson wrote:
> >
> > On 2014-10-06 12:41, Tanu Kaskinen wrote:
> > > On Sat, 2014-10-04 at 11:13 -0600, Glenn Golden wrote:
> > >> David Henningsson <david.henningsson at canonical.com> [2014-10-02 11:29:50 +0200]:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 2014-10-02 11:17, Tanu Kaskinen wrote:
> > >>>> On Mon, 2014-09-29 at 13:50 +0200, David Henningsson wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On 2014-09-28 11:23, Tanu Kaskinen wrote:
> > >>>>>> The logic for choosing the runtime directory is complicated enough
> > >>>>>> also without adding PULSE_RUNTIME_PATH into the mix. XDG_RUNTIME_DIR
> > >>>>>> is sufficient for users to control the runtime directory.
> > >>>>>> PULSE_RUNTIME_PATH has not been documented, so this change doesn't
> > >>>>>> constitute an interface break.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> A quick googling of PULSE_RUNTIME_PATH seems to indicate usage of this
> > >>>>> environment variable in at least chromium and enlightenment, and also
> > >>>>> recommended in several blog posts and mailing lists, including this one.
> > >>>>> It is likely used in several home-made scripts.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I'm hesitant to remove it for that reason.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The argument that "if you use undocumented interfaces, you can only
> > >>>> blame yourself if your script breaks" probably won't change your mind,
> > >>>> so I guess we'll just have to make this a documented interface then.
> > >>>
> > >>> Well, while not officially documented, we have still advocated the use of it
> > >>> on this mailing list [1], which to some degree could be seen as the de-facto
> > >>> documentation of PULSE_RUNTIME_PATH, given the lack of official
> > >>> documentation saying otherwise.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> 2c suggestion from the albatross-avoidance dept: How about adding it to the
> > >> official doc, but as an explcitly deprecated feature (and with an explicit
> > >> associated date/version beyond which it will not be supported)?
> > >
> > > I'd be ok with that. PulseAudio should then also print warnings when it
> > > notices that PULSE_RUNTIME_PATH has been set. David, what do you think?
> > > I volunteer to write the patch that prints those warnings.
> >
> > What's the reason to remove it in the first place? Does it cause any
> > significant problem, or is it just to have one environment variable less
> > to care about? If it is the latter, not sure if it's worth the effort (i
> > e, other people's effort) to remove it.
>
> It's only about having one less environment variable to care about.
>
> > Btw; as for XDG_RUNTIME_DIR vs PULSE_RUNTIME_PATH, there might be a use
> > case for both, if we want PULSE_RUNTIME_PATH to be auto-created if the
> > dir does not exist, which we don't want for XDG_RUNTIME_DIR.
>
> We don't have a use case for PULSE_RUNTIME_PATH. Other people may have a
> use case for it, but we don't know whether they want the directory to be
> created or not (we have certainly never promised them any particular
> behaviour).
>
> If you don't think it's a good idea to deprecate the variable, then
> let's not do that.
>
Based on the above discussiion, since it seemed to have been decided not to
deprecate PULSE_RUNTIME_PATH, I tried a few experiments to see what I could
learn about its [undocumented] symtax/semantics, in order to document it
properly in my writeup. I was a bit surprised at what I found:
Given the name of the envar (ending in "...PATH") I mistakenly assumed that
it would be treated as a PATH-like variable, i.e. a list of comma-delmited
paths to putative runtime dirs which would be tried in sequence. So I tried
this experiment:
$ unset XDG_RUNTIME_DIR # Just to be safe
$ unset XDG_CONFIG_HOME # Just to be safe
$ export PULSE_RUNTIME_PATH='/tmp/a:/tmp/b:/tmp/c'
$ rm -fr /tmp/a /tmp/b
$ mkdir /tmp/c
$ [kill any running pulseaudio processes by hand]
$ pulseaudio -v --start
My expectation was that the runtime directory would be created in /tmp/c. But
instead, it was created in a directory named '/tmp/a:/tmp/b:/tmp/c'. I.e. it
evidently treated $PULSE_RUNTIME_PATH not as a list of paths to be tried in
sequence, but as the name of a directory, and which is evidently to be created
[if possible] even if non-existent at the time the PA server is started.
Thinking that perhaps I'd made an unwarranted assumption about the delimiter
character being colon, I tried the same experiment as above except using a
single space as the 'delimiter'. Same thing: The runtime dir was again created
in a directory whose name was precisely the contents of PULSE_RUNTIME_PATH,
i.e. the directory was named '/tmp/a /tmp/b /tmp/c'.
Is it really intended to work this way or is this a bug? If it is intended
to work as it does, then imo, the name choice for the envar is very misleading,
given the defacto convention that envars named as "....PATH" behave as PATH-
like variables (e.g. CDPATH, MANPATH, MAILPATH, INFOPATH...).
