[yes I understand that I still need to review the filter itself] 2013/3/19 Justin Chudgar <justin at justinzane.com>: > While I genenerally understand that filtering induces frequency dependent phase > changes -- phase delay -- in the filtered signal, I do not understand why this > is critical for an lfe channel. At the ~10Hz->200Hz range that I expect, my > understanding is that it is very difficult for humans to detect audio phase > leading to the inability to localize low frequency sound sources. This is not about localization of sound sources, but about maintaining the proper amplitude. IOW, it is about not-well-mastered 5.1 recordings and frequencies in the band that both the subwoofer and the satellites can reproduce. If such frequencies are present both in LFE and non-LFE channels, interference occurs in the room. The idea is to ensure that the interference happens exactly as designed, even with a filter in place. I.e., if the signals were exactly in phase in the original recording, they must be exactly in phase with the crossover filter, too. This helps to ensure the proper amplitude of the resulting sound when both the subwoofer and the satellites contribute. In other words, it is OK to introduce phase distortions, but it is not OK to do it differently in different channels. As a pathological case, let's consider piece of recording that puts 100 Hz both in the center channel and the LFE channel, in-phase, with LFE amplitude being 3 dB higher. If you filter the LFE channel with the 4th order Butterworth filter with a cut-off frequency of 100 Hz and pass the center channel through, then the filter will attenuate the LFE channel by 3 dB and phase-shift it by 180 degrees. Result: the signals (if emitted from near-enough speakers) now completely cancel each other instead of adding to each other. > Additionally, the use case I had in mind for this module involves a physical > subwoofer that is spacially separated from the normal left/right/rear- > left/rear-right/center speakers. Combined with the above, my understanding is > that the phase distortion in the lfe channel introduced by my module should be > almost unnoticeable. At 100 Hz, the wavelength of sound is about 3.4 m. This is way more than the typical difference in speaker-listener distances in the room and the distance between ears, thus, interference happens very much like if all the speakers were in the same point of space. > The 2.0 stereo recordings are my personal primary use case. My subwoofer can > reproduce 20-200Hz, my front-left/right speakers can reproduce 28-20000Hz, my > center can reproduce 135-25000Hz, my rear-left/right can reproduce 80-20000Hz. > With this setup, the most limited element is the sub, the next most limited is > the center. OK, so in your setup, you don't really need to move low frequencies from front-left and front-right speakers to the subwoofer. Still, you need to apply the phase shift. Here is how: 1. As already explained, produce twice-lowpass-filtered and twice-highpass-filtered versions of each channel using 2nd order Butterworth filters. 2. For front-left and front-right speakers, take a sum of twice-highpass-filtered and twice-lowpass-filtered versions of the corresponding input, put it into that speaker. The result will contain all frequencies from the input, but will not be equal to the input. Welcome to "allpass" filters that only change the phase. 3. For other non-LFE inputs, put the twice-highpass-filtered version into the corresponding speaker and add the twice-lowpass-filtered to the LFE speaker. 4. For LFE input, add the twice-lowpass-filtered version to the LFE speaker and do something else with the twice-highpass-filtered version - e.g. divide it uniformly between other speakers. -- Alexander E. Patrakov
