the system... as there was some talk of eventually adding a proplist to ports, perhaps it's worth adding it in to the protocol and only populating "device.icon_name" initially (or even leaving it totally blank for now and doing the icon stuff later)? Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited http://www.tribalogic.net/ Open Source: Mageia Contributor http://www.mageia.org/ PulseAudio Hacker http://www.pulseaudio.org/ Trac Hacker http://trac.edgewall.org/