On 16 June 2010 04:05, Colin Guthrie <gmane at colin.guthr.ie> wrote: > 'Twas brillig, and Jeremy Nickurak at 15/06/10 16:31 did gyre and gimble: >> On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 01:40, Colin Guthrie <gmane at colin.guthr.ie> wrote: >>> I really don't think this is wise. There are so many cases where this >>> doesn't work. If you are in the process of plugging something in, you >>> *expect* to have to take some action. You're in the mind set that you'll >>> need to take action to make the device work. >> >> Can't disagree strongly enough here. >> >> When you plug headphones into your laptop, the sound switches from the >> speakers to the headphones. No intervention. This should definitely be >> the same case with plugging in USB headphones. > > But speaker jacks are completely different to USB sound devices. You > cannot use them as a comparable example here. > > I mean, if I've got some USB speakers which have a jack socket on the > front of them (I'm looking at just such devices right now in front of > me) and I plug in some headphones to the jack socket on my computer, I > do not expect the sound to be moved across from playing on the USB > device to my internal device and subsequently on my headphones when this > happens. > > Added to this, there are numerous examples of when I really don't want, > nor would expect this to happen. e.g. I'm playing music and I get my USB > headset to make a VoIP call. My music playing happily on my USB Speakers > and I want it stay there, but as soon as I plug in my headset it > transfers. I'd much rather it stayed where it was. I may want to leave > my USB Headset plugged in (I often do). > > I don't think I'm out of the ordinary here. And there are countless > other scenarios where this just doesn't work OOTB. > > The general rule is if you can't do something automatically that works > every time, then don't do it automatically at all, but make it easy and > obvious to the user how to do it manually. > I think we're close to wanting the same thing, if you have specifically told the music to go to the USB speakers it should, all other streams/clients that have not * specifically* been told which device to use should switch to the new *local* (not network sinks) device... I think that covers the use you are suggesting while still keeping everything sane... My example - Buy new laptop install linux - Plug in USB speakers first time... all sound (including currently playing streams) moves to USB speakers - Plug in USB headset first time all sound moves to Headset, - Set music to output to USB speakers as preferred device - Unplug headset - Plugin headset, music stays on speakers all other sound moves to headset - Remove headset - Attach bluetooth headset, music stays on speakers all other sound moves to bluetooth headset - Remove USB speakers, music moves to bluetooth headset Thats what makes sense to me anyway Cheers Jason Taylor -- "Weekends don't count unless you spend them doing something completely pointless. " - Calven
