On Fri, 15.01.10 06:18, Tanu Kaskinen (tanuk at iki.fi) wrote: > > to, 2010-01-14 kello 21:54 +0100, Lennart Poettering kirjoitti: > > On Wed, 06.01.10 05:18, Tanu Kaskinen (tanuk at iki.fi) wrote: > > > Then at some point I switch back to the headphones. m-d-r > > > restores the sink reference volume to 0 dB and m-s-r doesn't do > > > anything. Now the music stream has also absolute volume 0 dB, which is > > > 10 dB more than what I want the headphones to have. When I changed the > > > volume while using the speakers, it shouldn't have affected the volume > > > that I get when using the headphones. > > > > Yes, but that is expected. If you change the stream volume you change > > the stream volume. if you change the device volume you change the > > device volume. > > But it's so tempting to use the volume slider in Rhythmbox ;) > > Now that you have convinced me to some degree about that the device > volume should be the usual volume to adjust, I guess my biggest problem > are the volume sliders in individual applications. I believe they cause > problems/inconveniences for many users (I'm going here solely by my own > intuition; I don't remember hearing any actual complaints). > > Do you possibly have the opinion that applications should get rid of the > volume sliders, or make them control the device volume? Oh, two hearts beat in my chest. On one hand I think yes, the apps too should show the device volume since that is mroe likely what people want to change. But then on the other I think if we show something at all, we probably should show something that is not completely redundant and that amkes sense for someone who did understand the idea of stream and device volumes. If we'd show the devcie volume in the apps this would be redundant, since the usual volume hotkeys/notification icon handle/show that anyway, and it is kinda surprising if an in-app volume changes the other volumes too. So, I guess in the end I am a little bit more leaning to the side that the apps should show per-stream volumes. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering Red Hat, Inc. lennart [at] poettering [dot] net http://0pointer.net/lennart/ GnuPG 0x1A015CC4
