Greetings Colin; I rebooted to a new kernel as above, and now there is no audio, but the diff is that there is, but it is apparently not getting from PA to the sound system. pavucontrol says its using /dev/null for a sink. But if I crank up the mic gain the sound is alive & well. kde when started, also wanted to forget about all the emu10k1 stuff, but the moddules are loaded and running if the mic nopise in the speakers is to be believed. I have put the output of pulseaudio -vvv at: <http://gene.homelinux.net:85/gene/Genes-os9-stf> Can you see what is wrong? -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Hope that the day after you die is a nice day.