> That's exactly what happens currently: PA gets developed and stabilized! > But, as I already wrote in the last mail, stabilizing PA is something that > cannot be achieved in some private basement. It is by far too complex and it > needs a phase where it is thoroughly tested by a great number of users to > finally become the application that we (me at least) hope for. With one > full-time developer and few contributers there is simply no other way to > manage that task. If you really can't live with PA, there are a lot of > alternative distributions (even Ubuntu flavours) that are not using it. That > way, you can avoid it until the day it is stable enough for you. The same > thing was true for KDE 4.0, it was very easy to avoid it since it hasn't > been the default DE in any distribution I know of. Nonetheless, there was > this mega-rant that did not help anybody and spread a lot of hostility... > > Honestly, I can't understand how people can invest so much energy in useless > rants. Imho, if you have a problem with FOSS applications, and you can't or > don't want to code, there are always 3 reasonable actions you can take: > > 1. Report bugs, ask for help, request features, talk to the devs about > anything you like or dislike BUT do that in a friendly, constructive way! By > doing that, you'll help many users worldwide! > I have filed over 1000 bugs in KDE and I'm pushing 150 on *buntus. About half of them are triaging other people's problems. > 2. If that does not work for you, search for an alternative application and > see if it fits your needs. There are alternatives for almost everything in > linux, imho there are too many of them in some areas (including audio) and > you are free to use wichever you like. > PA fits my needs. But I'm not everybody. > 3. If you cannot find anything that fits your needs, take a look into the > world of commercial software. Not everything you have to pay for is bad ;) > Is there a commercial sound system for Linux? I have never heard of this. > Whichever action you choose, it will be better than starting the next flame > war! Nobody needs them, nobody wants them! Except for trolls... > Flame war? I pointed out that the problem with PA is not PA, but overanxious distros who see something shiny and bolt it on. Flame away. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il