Hi, Similar to my last mail but the opposite behaviour is noticed here! This could easily be a g-s-d or a g-v-c-a problem, but I'm not sure how these ones work internally so opinions welcome. I do however suspect that it's a result of the first play of a role without a stored volume rule - could be wrong tho'. I tried to verify this via canberra-gtk-play +console, but it needs X... I've not yet tried some PULSE_PROP style env var hacking. I performed this test a totally fresh user account, at GDM with other users logged in + git master 8f928b (HEAD at time of writing). After logging in g-v-c-a is showing the mute symbol despite the underlying alsa mixer having been previously confirmed ot having a sensible value (although with current pulse I'd suspect a 100% initialisation anyway - even if that is not desirable!) The following behaviour can now be observed: 1. pavucontrol/g-v-c both show all sliders as 0 including the "system sounds" slider. 2. Running paplay does not restore the volume (so it's silent). 3. Setting the device volume in either pavucontrol or g-v-c allows a paplay to run and be heard. paplay can be run multiple times without a problem. 4. Running canberra-gtk-play -i menu-click (for example) will turn the device volume down again. paplay is then on silent (the canberra sound could also be triggered organically via (duh!) clicking on a menu). So there seems to be two problems here: 1. Problem with "system sounds" volume being initialised to 0 at first login (perhaps due to g-v-c-a/g-s-d or perhaps due to the canberra played login sound?) 2. The fact that a "system sounds" volume of 0 changes the system volume. It should be completely separate from it. I suspect it is interfering with the flat volume logic in some capacity. I hope I've written up these two problems clearly. I've got some Mandriva bug references but I doubt they will add to this at present. Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited [http://www.tribalogic.net/] Open Source: Mandriva Linux Contributor [http://www.mandriva.com/] PulseAudio Hacker [http://www.pulseaudio.org/] Trac Hacker [http://trac.edgewall.org/]