Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] ACPI: platform_profile: Let drivers dynamically refresh choices

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On 1/7/2025 10:33 AM, Hridesh MG wrote:
On Tue, Jan 7, 2025 at 9:21 PM Mario Limonciello
<mario.limonciello@xxxxxxx> wrote:

On 1/7/2025 07:14, Hridesh MG wrote:
On Tue, Jan 7, 2025 at 7:49 AM Mark Pearson <mpearson-lenovo@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Kurt,

On Sun, Jan 5, 2025, at 11:45 PM, Kurt Borja wrote:
Hello,

Some drivers may need to dynamically modify their selected `choices`.
Such is the case of the acer-wmi driver, which implemented their own
profile cycling method, because users expect different profiles to be
available whether the laptop is on AC or not [1].

These series would allow acer-wmi to simplify this custom cycling method
to use platform_profile_cycle(), as it's already being proposed in these
series [2]; without changing expected behaviors, by refreshing their
selected choices on AC connect/disconnect events, which would also solve
this discussion [3].

Additionally, I think the platform_profile_ops approach would enable us
to hide the platform_profile_handler in the future, and instead just pass
the class device to get/set methods like the HWMON subsystem does.

I think having this kind of flexibility is valuable. Let me know what you
think!


I personally would love to see how this would be used for the acer issue highlighted to see how it would work out. It feels like the series is short a patch :)

I do think that having this flexibility would be good, as i was
considering manually clearing the set bits and calling platform_notify
for the acer series, but in my specific case (for devices using the
predator v4 interface) it was found that the hardware was responsive
to all profiles regardless of AC/battery mode so it made sense to
leave this kind of artificial limiting of profiles to the
userspace--similar to how the Windows driver handles it through the
Nitro Sense app.

I feel like users should have the power to utilize their hardware in
the way they want it to, though if there is a compelling reason to
limit the profiles then i'd be more than happy to add this to the
series :)


--
Hridesh MG

I agree with Mark, this series is missing the patch that shows exactly
how this would be used.  Furthermore; what exactly are the differences
in choices between AC or DC?
On the predator series, the Windows OEM application only allows you to
select the low-power and balanced platform profiles on DC. These
profiles can however still be activated through WMI methods and the
hardware will apply them.

So on Windows if you are on DC and pick "performance" then go to AC it will automatically switch you back to "balanced" and you can't pick "performance" again until you go to "DC"?

This sounds totally counterintuitive to me at least. If you're going to gimp people on anything, gimp them on DC.


To "userspace" I fail to understand how "balanced" is different from AC
to DC for example.
It is not, the profiles or states themselves are not modified between
AC and DC, just the switching between them is affected.


IMO - just because Windows does this doesn't mean we need to in Linux. If there are only 3 sets of profiles, I'm of the opinion we should let users pick any of the 3 profiles in "AC" or "DC" state.





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