On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 11:10:23AM -0500, Michael Roth wrote:
> > 1. Code checks SME/SEV support leaf. HV lies and says there's none. So
> > guest doesn't boot encrypted. Oh well, not a big deal, the cloud vendor
> > won't be able to give confidentiality to its users => users go away or
> > do unencrypted like now.
> >
> > Problem is solved by political and economical pressure.
> >
> > 2. Check SEV and SME bit. HV lies here. Oh well, same as the above.
>
> I'd be worried about the possibility that, through some additional exploits
> or failures in the attestation flow,
Well, that puts forward an important question: how do you verify
*reliably* that this is an SNP guest?
- attestation?
- CPUID?
- anything else?
I don't see this written down anywhere. Because this assumption will
guide the design in the kernel.
> a guest owner was tricked into booting unencrypted on a compromised
> host and exposing their secrets. Their attestation process might even
> do some additional CPUID sanity checks, which would at the point
> be via the SNP CPUID table and look legitimate, unaware that the
> kernel didn't actually use the SNP CPUID table until after 0x8000001F
> was parsed (if we were to only initialize it after/as-part-of
> sme_enable()).
So what happens with that guest owner later?
How is she to notice that she booted unencrypted?
> Fortunately in this scenario I think the guest kernel actually would fail to
> boot due to the SNP hardware unconditionally treating code/page tables as
> encrypted pages. I tested some of these scenarios just to check, but not
> all, and I still don't feel confident enough about it to say that there's
> not some way to exploit this by someone who is more clever/persistant than
> me.
All this design needs to be preceded with: "We protect against cases A,
B and C and not against D, E, etc."
So that it is clear to all parties involved what we're working with and
what we're protecting against and what we're *not* protecting against.
End of mail 2, more later.
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