Hi,
On 05-06-18 05:18, Chris Chiu wrote:
On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 10:31 AM, Darren Hart <dvhart@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 04:23:04PM +0200, Hans de Goede wrote:
Hi,
On 04-06-18 15:51, Daniel Drake wrote:
On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 7:22 AM, Hans de Goede <hdegoede@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Is this really a case of the hardware itself processing the
keypress and then changing the brightness *itself* ?
From the "[PATCH 2/2] platform/x86: asus-wmi: Add keyboard backlight
toggle support" patch I get the impression that the driver is
modifying the brightness from within the kernel rather then the
keyboard controller are ACPI embeddec-controller doing it itself.
If that is the case then the right fix is for the driver to stop
mucking with the brighness itself, it should simply report the
right keyboard events and export a led interface and then userspace
will do the right thing (and be able to offer flexible policies
to the user).
Before this modification, the driver reports the brightness keypresses
to userspace and then userspace can respond by changing the brightness
level, as you describe.
You are right in that the hardware doesn't change the brightness
directly itself, which is the normal usage of LED_BRIGHT_HW_CHANGED.
However this approach was suggested by Benjamin Berg and Bastien
Nocera in the thread: Re: [PATCH v2] platform/x86: asus-wmi: Add
keyboard backlight toggle support
https://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=152639169210655&w=2
The issue is that we need to support a new "keyboard backlight
brightness cycle" key (in the patch that follows this one) which
doesn't fit into any definitions of keys recognised by the kernel and
likewise there's no userspace code to handle it.
If preferred we could leave the standard brightness keys behaving as
they are (input events) and make the new special key type directly
handled by the kernel?
I'm sorry that Benjamin and Bastien steered you in this direction,
IMHO none of it should be handled in the kernel.
Anytime any sort of input is directly responded to by the kernel
it is a huge PITA to deal with from userspace. The kernel will have
a simplistic implementation which almost always is wrong.
Benjamin, remember the pain we went through with rfkill hotkey
presses being handled in the kernel ?
And then there is the whole acpi_video.brightness_switch_enabled
debacle, which is an option which defaults to true which causes
the kernel to handle LCD brightness key presses, which all distros
have been patching to default to off for ages.
To give a concrete example, we may want to implement software
dimming / auto-off of the kbd backlight when the no keys are
touched for x seconds. This would seriously get in the way of that.
So sorry, but NACK to this series.
So if instead of modifying the LED value, the kernel platform drivers
converted the TOGGLE into a cycle even by converting to an UP event
based on awareness of the plaform specific max value and the read
current value, leaving userspace to act on the TOGGLE/UP events - would
that be preferable?
Something like:
if (code == TOGGLE && ledval < ledmax)
code = UP;
sparse_keymap_report_event(..., code, ...)
}
--
Darren Hart
VMware Open Source Technology Center
That's what I was trying to do in [PATCH v2] platform/x86: asus-wmi: Add
keyboard backlight toggle support. However, that brought another problem
discussed in the thread.
https://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=152639169210655&w=2
So I moved the brightness change in the driver without passing to userspace.
Per Hans, seems there're some other concerns and I also wonder if the
TOGGLE event happens in ASUS HID (asus-hid.c) which also convert and
pass the keycode to userspace but no TOGGLE key support yet What should
we do then?
As I mentioned in my reply to Darren, there are 2 proper solutions to this:
1) Make userspace treat KEY_KBDILLUMTOGGLE as a cycle key, this is
what the kbd-backlight on most laptops with a single hotkey (*) does
in cases where this is handled in firmware, rather then left to the
OS. The handled in firmware is the case which I created the
led_classdev_notify_brightness_hw_changed() API for. This would be
my preferred solution and I believe that Benjamin is discussing this
with Bastien ATM.
2) Add a new KEY_KBDILLUMCYCLE event and send that for the TOGGLE code
on these laptops.
Yes both will take time to get into end-users hand, but so will a
kernel-only solution. In the mean time endless can always carry
downstream patches to make things work right now (while waiting for
the changes to trickle down from upstream).
Regards,
Hans
