On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 06:03:09PM +0200, Corentin Chary wrote: > On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Dmitry Torokhov > <dmitry.torokhov@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 03:28:43PM +0200, Corentin Chary wrote: > >> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Joey Lee <jlee@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> > Hi Corentin, > >> > > >> > æ äï2010-10-19 æ 05:15 -0600ïJoey Lee æåï > >> >> Hi Corentin, > >> >> > >> >> æ äï2010-10-19 æ 12:51 +0200ïCorentin Chary æåï > >> >> > >> Most of users will want the key to just toggle wlan/bluetooth. But some of them > >> >> > >> will be happy if they can configure the behavior of the key (cycle, only toggle > >> >> > >> WLAN, etc...) > >> >> > >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > > I thought just direct disable the default EC behavior then leave a > >> >> > > userland daemon to control the behavior, it will grab the wifi key event > >> >> > > then control rfkill state by follow user's customization rules. > >> >> > > >> >> > What I'm saying is: I don't really care what's the default behavior is, > >> >> > but if the EC provide a somewhat reliable way to make the key work > >> >> > without any userspace daemon involved, I think we should allow > >> >> > the user to use this mode (even if it's with an obscure module > >> >> > parameter or sysfs file). > > > > But we already have the in-kernel solution that provides this behavior. > > It is called rfkill-input and it is the in-kernel bridge between input > > devices that emit KEY_WLAN etc. and rfkill switches. There is no need to > > have yet another mechanism (most likely fighting with default in-kernel > > one) doing the same thing. So for boxes tat do support this launcher > > mode we should simply enable it. _Always_. > > > > And once the userspace manager[s] become standard we can just rely on > > their presence. Like right now you can't really live without udev, dbus, > > etc. if you want to have reasonably behaving box (embedded setups out of > > scope here). > > > >> >> > > >> >> > But .. maybe if someone want this default "raw" behavior, > >> >> > he should just not load this module. > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> Fully understood, now. > >> >> > >> >> Like you siad, we need define a policy for: > >> >> > >> >> Â- If user want the default "raw" behavior, what do they need to do? > >> >> Â Â Â I thought if the wmi driver doesn't load by default, then user > >> >> Â Â Â Âwill get a "raw" behavior. > >> >> > >> > But... > >> > The wmi driver doesn't just provide the RF switch function, it's also > >> > have other functions like transfer wmi event to key code. > >> > > >> > User doesn't load wmi driver will have "raw" RF switch behavior, but > >> > lost other more functions. > >> > > >> >> Â- If any distro want provide userland solution, how can they disable > >> >> Â Âthe default "raw" behavior? > >> >> Â Â Â If anybody want to disable the "raw" behavior, just load the wmi > >> >> Â Â Â Âdriver. > >> > Maybe we still add kernel module parameter? > >> > > >> > >> Indeed, I think it would be a good idea to let the user do that. > >> > > > > And I do not think so for the reasons outlined. We have chosen the > > direction already (dictated by the existence of keys not directly > > connected withg RF switches) and we should follow through with it, so > > all boxes and drivers behave as uniformly as possible. > > > > Then, let's not add this parameter. Anyway the potential user base who > may acer-wmi without this mode is probably very low. > > But I still think that having a parameter to enable this "raw" mode > would be helpful in some case, for example, "the keycode changed and > is not yet mapped to KEY_WLAN", or "wimax is not yet supported by > acer-wmi and there is not (yet) a rfkill interface for it". This would > be a quirk mode, only enabled for some very special cases, like > acpi_osi="Linux" or acpi_backlight="vendor". I see. I guess I'd rather people reported the issue and we provided the fix that have them work around the issue (maybe) and we never hearing about it. This way fix hapepns quicker and work for everyone instead of only the person discovered the magic option. I think we discussed it enough, I'll defer to Matthew whether to take the patch with the switch or the one enabling the mode unconditionally. Thanks. -- Dmitry -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe platform-driver-x86" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
