O'Reilly has several good books available as well as about a ton of on-line articles (OnLamp.com) by folks like John Coggeshall that were a big help as I got started. Also Wiley press has one of those '15 hour crash course' books on Apache, MySQL, and PHP. The PHP manual is a pretty good place to get some great info - the on-line version includes user discussions at the end of each method which can be a huge help. PHP is a very popular language so there are a lot of tutorial and script sites available (As Obi Wan used to say "Use the Google Luke"). Finally, this mailing list is a huge help when you have specific questions (and is kind to noobs like me - many thanks). As an aside, for me the hardest part of getting started was figuring out what question to ask and where to ask it. A problem I ascribed to my understanding of PHP often turns out to be my lack of HTML expertise so the right place to ask is an HTML forum rather than one targeted at PHP or what looks like a MySQL issue is really a php code problem (query doesn't execute because the php code is written wrong). Most often, I find kind people in whatever forum either answering the question or pointing me in the right direction. HTH Doug -----Original Message----- From: John R. Sims, Jr. [mailto:jsims@xxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 12:31 PM To: php-db@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Looking for help. I need help. I am building a database for a collaborative non-profit organization. Originally it was scheduled to be done in MS Access, which I know fairly well. but the problem is they want it hosted on a freeDBS server and they do not have the ability to use an access database, nor are they willing to make the changes. So to make a long story short, I am now learning mysql and php. I has been a slow and often aggravating process, but we are starting to make some progress. But I need to learn more. Can anyone suggest a really good book, or possibly some tutorial classes I can on line that I can use to learn more about these programs. Thanks John _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail message has been sent by Kollsman, Inc. and is for the use of the intended recipients only. The message may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any use, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited, and you are requested to delete the e-mail and any attachments and notify the sender immediately. -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php