I've been a PHP programmer for many years and I still don't know how to set up and use the Zend Framework properly. I find it really difficult and cumbersome to set up and I always seem to do something wrong and get tons of errors. The Zend Framework is a framework written by experts for experts and us mere mortals can't figure it out. I gave up on Zend and just went carried on with CodeIginiter/Kohana instead and I recommend that because it's so easy to set up and use. - Shadow --- In php-objects@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "cplus_developer" <cplus_developer@...> wrote: > > Hello All : > Ben , I have been programmer since 8 years and I have done projects in oop ,but I am new in php ( I know the basics of course) . I tried to learn zend framework , because it is oop and mvc , I've done too much search , and I've got too much books and tutorials , but I realy didn't find good resources about teaching zend framework , the books and tutorials don't describe it clearly . of course john lebensold advanced php helps me to understand some of the basic of oop frameworks in php , but I think zend frame work is somehow different . I accept that all of the other oop books in other languages don't discuss the classes profoundly but I think zend frame work needs more precise and clear tutorials and book . How ever I would much appreciate you , if you introduce me clear , profound resources or tutorials about zend framework to me ( the zend framework document and tutorials couldn't satisfy me too). > Sincerely yours >