Help u with what? If you're new in php, I strongly recommend that you start from scratch, I mean practice more the basics before use a framework, so you can understand what's happening inside the framework and you could use it with more understanding. You can start with www.w3schools.com there is a good starting tutorial that will help you to learn the necessary to start developing in PHP, if you have a question, fell free to ask us. Regards, Jean. From: php-objects@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:php-objects@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of join_sono Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:30 AM To: php-objects@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Cake Php a framework and CMS like Joomal and Wild Flower Dear all seniors and members, although it is my first post, i want to ask from all of your that have u ever used any framework with php , like Cake PHP and and any CMS like Joomla or Wild Flower, and you are Hands on. may any one can help better. i am newbie here and novice to php. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1758 - Release Date: 10/31/2008 8:22 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]