Hello all. Very odd behaviour. <?php if (extension_loaded('gender')) { $o_Gender = new Gender\Gender; var_dump($o_Gender); } class Variable { public $value = null; } $a = new Variable; $b = clone $a; var_dump($a, $b); ?> If using pecl/Gender V0.9.0 with PHP V5.3.3, V5.3.13, V5.3.23, then I get an error ... PHP Fatal error: Trying to clone an uncloneable object of class Variable in - on line 14 No problem with V5.4.14 No idea why this is the case. Changelog for V5.3 doesn't reveal anything regarding cloning. I'm running this on a CentOS vm (not my speciality, so I can't diagnose any further, sorry). If anyone can shed some light on this, then that would be useful. Regards, Richard. -- Richard Quadling Twitter : @RQuadling