Sorry, not sure if the first part of the conversation made it to the list. I will be looking in to Symfony. I'm well versed with ZF and Zend_Db. I'm also somewhat versed with Doctrine and integrating it with ZF. My question isn't whether Doctrine is a part *of* that framework but rather on *what* and *when* it is appropriate to *use* or *substitute* something like Doctrine instead of using straight pdo or mysqli or the abstract that came with that particular framework. Substituting Doctrine or some other abstract could complicate a project rather than help. Jamie On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Slith <slithone@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Have you looked into other PHP Frameworks like Symfony that includes > Doctrine support? > > Not sure exactly what your requirements are but most PHP frameworks include > some sort of DB abstraction based on Active Record/ORM. > > See also CodeIgniter, Zend Framework > > On 9/22/2011 10:46 AM, Jamie Krasnoo wrote: >> >> Hey All, >> >> I'm guessing that the subject probably doesn't fit the question I'm >> asking here so I'll apologize in advance. >> >> Lately I've been getting in to how I can streamline my development >> after a bad experience with a contract. One of the areas I was looking >> at is when it would be appropriate to use certain DB frameworks? What >> I mean by frameworks is probably more like DB abstract, like Doctrine >> or ZF's native Zend_Db. I know this isn't a black and white >> explanation so I would like to know what influences your decision on >> using a DB abstract framework. Whether to use one or not and if so >> which one? >> >> Jamie >> > > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php