Jim, > Actually - I can't seem to find a mysql newsgroup anywhere. The ones that > come up in google search are all dead and buried. I found a mailing list that might work for you: To subscribe to the list, send an empty message to <mysql-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Marc -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php