There's a few things about your post I'd like to comment on. One, if you're not using APC, I definitely agree with the fact that you're just wasting resources. However, you mention micro-optimizations and say that they're hardly useful, but in some cases it's a huge difference. ' vs. " is like a 0.1% speed difference or something equally negligible, but using isset($foo['bar']) instead of in_array($foo, 'bar') is almost an exponential speedup (it approaches that level of difference as the array size gets larger and larger), so there are some definite good practices with common fundamental structures that are worth paying attention to. And finally, you mention optimizing the LAMP stack, when the fact of the matter is the best way to optimize that stack is to get rid of it. Apache is huge and slow and there are very fast and viable replacements for it (I use nginx, but a lot of people are satisfied with lighttpd) and using either spawn-fcgi or fpm, php concurrency can increase by as much as 50%. And regarding MySQL, installing XtraDB, Percona's enhanced InnoDB build with a whole boatload of patches, is the easiest way to squeeze more performance out of MySQL. To the OP, though, the point is that there is a definite scalability path with regards to PHP and it's not something to really fret over, as there are tons of documentation, talks, presentations, blog posts, strategies, etc to achieve the most with PHP. Although, in the end, PHP itself is rarely your bottleneck, but instead the way you have your webserver setup bottlenecks your clientele and the way you have your queries written bottlenecks your server. I don't want to say that PHP speed is negligible, but if you write the world's worst PHP, but have an opcode cache and a fast DB implementation (and a 100 ySlow score) no one is ever going to notice how bad your code is, whereas someone else could write great code on a poorly performing site and wind up in a much worse situation. On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Topbit <topbit@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 5:33 AM, tRace DOliveira <married_74@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > I think that PHP is the best scripting language ever created...I'm > currently doing a study of PHP and I want to know how APC can be used to > improve PHP performance and how it can be implemented and also if there is > some other alternative other than APC of improving PHP performance ? The > problem that I face is that as many requests are made the server is placed > under alot of pressure and cannot deal with it.... > > A large part of the reason PHP is so good at what it does is that > scaling it up on a single, and then to multi-machine sites and from > there to even millions of users is a well understood path. > > For APC, if you are running your own server and running a PHP site on > there, if you're not already running APC or a similar caching system > on there, you are just wasting CPU effort. > > There are a number of websites already out there that demonstrate the > sort of caching and optimisations that can be performed on a LAMP > stack, both within PHP code (but the various micro-optimisations of > changing quotes and using one kind of array handling over another is > only useful at the most extreme end of optimisations - and if you > wonder if you need them - then you don't). I'll be writing on the > topic of scaling on my blog soon as well, so it might be useful to > keep an eye on the in the next few weeks as well. > > For now, http://google.com/search?q=scaling+PHP will give you a lot of > food for thought. > > Topbit > http://topbit.co.uk/ > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > >