Right I've read the manual on this and all that so hopefully you fine people can help. I have an abstract class with three children. The abstract is ForumObject and the three children are Thread, Category and Post and each have their own table so I wrote the following: abstract class ForumObject { static private $table; static function getObjectIds ($field, $value) { $query = "SELECT id FROM {self::$table} WHERE $field = '$value'"; $object_ids = mysql_fetch_array(); return $object_ids; } } class Category extends ForumObject { static private $table = "categories"; } That's just got the important bits for the sake of your eyes but basically the problem I'm having is calling Category::getObjectIds ($whatever, $whatever2); Seems to think that it's referring to ForumObject::$table rather than Category::$table? I looked into it and there seems to be something you can do with get_called_class() but unfortunately I'm stuck with 5.2.9 at the moment and that is new to 5.3. Any ideas? Perhaps there is a different way I could implement the classes - I would rather not have getObjectIds repeated three times! Thanks in advance, -- Luke Slater http://dinosaur-os.com/ :O)