Hello, Jim Lucas wrote: > Since this has been a topic of dicussion, I figured I would add my > thoughts. > > I have been toying with the idea of doing a <table>-less layouts > involving tabular data, calendars, etc... > > Recent threads have finally made me do it. Let me know what you think. > > http://www.cmsws.com/examples/templates/div_tables.php > http://www.cmsws.com/examples/templates/div_tables.phps (source for above) > http://www.cmsws.com/examples/templates/div_cal.php > > When you turn off the styles, the calendar becomes pretty rough on the > eyes, but still "accessible". > > Same thing with the tabular data structure. > > But, not knowing how the various types of accessibility applications > work, I am guessing that the layout to an application trying to read it > should work fairly well. Let me know if I am way off the mark with my > thoughts. Excuse me for maybe not so nice opinion, but honestely I find it silly to use not use plain HTML tables precisely for the purpose that they should be used for: displaying data that should be aligned both vertically and horizontally. Using HTML tables is not a sin. You will not go to hell if you use HTML tables. Avoiding using HTML tables has nothing to do with accessibility. You non-HTML table based tables are not more accessible to blind people than using real HTML tables. HTML tables are part of the Web standards. Who told you otherwise lied to you. Look W3C that define the Web standards documented it here. http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/tables.html Your hack to avoid using HTML tables is not the same as using tables because you need to define styles that fix the width of the columns to make sure all cells in a column have the same width. You loose the functionality of HTML table to auto-adjust the width according to their content. In the end you will have much more HTML tags and attributes than if you used simple HTML tables. -- Regards, Manuel Lemos Find and post PHP jobs http://www.phpclasses.org/jobs/ PHP Classes - Free ready to use OOP components written in PHP http://www.phpclasses.org/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php