Well. If you really really want to go Table less css. You have to you one of those CSS frameworks. I suggest YAML And even with YAML. You have to fix your design to IE6. My point of view positioning with DIV was time consuming process and very frustrating experience (especially with IE6). And to those pesky Table Nay sayers. Damn get over it. Did you still believe those TABLES ARE SLOW marketing buzz ? Hello we are in 2009. We got wordwide broadband access and guess what. Images and flash contend much bigger than any html and css data. And your JS generate more load than html parsing to client cpu. Yes CSS was most elegant solution and most time consuming. Regards Sancar -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php