"Don Collier" <dcollier@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:4980C3D3.8040404@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Paul M Foster wrote: >> See? This is what I'm talking about. >> >> *I* understand what you're saying, Don, and I agree. But this guy is >> just learning PHP from what is arguably not one of the best books on PHP >> (IMO). And you're throwing MVC at him. Let him master the subtleties of >> the language first, then we'll give him the MVC speech. >> >> Yes, I know, they should learn proper programming practices from the >> beginning, blah blah blah. But think back to the first programming >> language you ever learned, when you were first learning it. If someone >> had thrown stuff like this at you, would you have had a clue? I had >> enough trouble just learning the proper syntax and library routines for >> Dartmouth BASIC and Pascal, without having to deal with a lot of >> "metaprogramming" stuff. >> >> This is the problem when you get newbies asking questions on a list >> whose membership includes hardcore gurus. The gurus look at things in >> such a lofty way that answering simple questions at the level of a >> beginner sounds like a dissertation on the subtleties of Spanish art in >> the 1500s. >> >> Just my opinion. >> >> Paul >> > On that note, what would be a better book to learn from? I have always > been a fan of the O'Reilly books, but I am open to differing flavors of > kool-aid. One can never have too many resources. First of all...for **insert deities name here** sake don't drink the kool-aid! I started with the visual series of books just to get the hang of the rudimentry language, and then went right to the online php manual. www. devguru. com isn't bad, but tends to be a bit sparse on explinations. If you are familliar with any programming language google is your friend. php is pretty close to c for ease of refference so googling for like 'switch php' brings up loads of examples and refs. I still don't know anything about this pear, or other frameworks they speak of on here, but I'm sure I will learn it in time. :) Personally I think French art from the 1500's was better any way. Frank -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
