On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 09:08 -1000, Daniel Kolbo wrote: > Robert Cummings wrote: > > On Tue, 2009-01-13 at 18:18 -1000, Daniel Kolbo wrote: > > > >> Phpster wrote: > >> > >>> What about stripping out all the 'nuances' and just reducing it to > >>> just the text where you then control the display and using your > >>> templates and css? > >>> > >>> Bastien > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPod > >>> > >>> On Jan 13, 2009, at 9:49 PM, Daniel Kolbo <kolb0057@xxxxxxx> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> Hello, > >>>> > >>>> I've been using PHP and Smarty for several years now and I am happy > >>>> with this "division" of data from presentation. With this philosophy > >>>> in mind, i am a bit perplexed as to how to handle the text on my > >>>> sites. That is, the text is data, so i am motivated to store the > >>>> text in a database, files, or the like, but then text is loaded with > >>>> little markup nuances (random italics/weight/colors, etc...) that > >>>> make template design rather ugly. This motivates me to put markup > >>>> (maybe even my own brand of markup) around the text, and to store > >>>> this markup-text combination in a database. But I don't like this > >>>> either, because a lot of the people writing the content/text know > >>>> word/writer not markup. So i am motivated to have them save their > >>>> text as .html, and I parse this file and modify accordingly. > >>>> However, i don't like this either as not all word/writer styles are > >>>> 1-to-1 with CSS. Without any options I am back to thinking "hard > >>>> code" the text with markup in included templates, but it hurts just > >>>> thinking of updating/modifying. > >>>> > >>>> I have looked (briefly) at Web Content Management Systems, but this > >>>> seems like overkill really, maybe i'm ignorant. > >>>> > >>>> What would the community suggest? The text can take on many forms, > >>>> introduction text, about text, product information, articles, blurbs, > >>>> (some changes daily, some doesn't) etc...where does all this text > >>>> live in 'properly' designed site. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks in advance, > >>>> dK > >>>> > >>>> > >> Hello Bastien, > >> The difficulty with implementing your suggestions is that say in a > >> paragraph of text that has random bold or italics (etc...) (as > >> determined by the one drafting the text), how would i recover these > >> bold/italics if i remove them? > >> > > > > Strip all tags except bold and italics. Then replace <b> with <strong> > > and <i> with <em> since the former tags are deprecated. If semantic > > meaning is not intended by <b> and <i> then replace with <span > > class="bold"> and <span class="italic"> and create those CSS styles. > > > > Cheers, > > Rob. > > > Yes, okay, but who is putting the tags there in the first place? The > writers who are drafting these in word/writer are not marking them > up...So say I put tags around the required items, then when the writer > goes to edit, they are going to say "what is all this", it is not a > 'seamless' division. I am really looking for a three fold division, 1) > Logic/data, 2) presentation, and 3) text. Just like the logic side > doesn't concern itself with presentation, I'd like the writers to not be > concerned with presentation/markup either (except for using the styles > available in word/writer). > > It seems a bit tricky...the writer is providing the data without PHP > knowledge and some styles without Smarty knowledge. The question is how > does one bridge this strange gap in a manageable and easily scalable way? So apply the stripping and replacements to the content you have saved, but don't modify the saved content itself. You can add another field to the same table containing the data called "formatted_content" and save it alongside the original. The tags are being inserted by Microsoft when you copy/paste from one medium to another. I do beleive MS detects you are pasting from a Word document to an HTML format and transparently performs the conversion for you. Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
