> hate to say this but why not cater for all eventualities and just use > strtotime( $whatever ); Well it just doesn't have enough geek factor... -- Richard Heyes HTML5 Graphing for FF, Chrome, Opera and Safari: http://www.phpguru.org/RGraph -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php