<snip="100%"> Call me old-fashioned, old, or a bastard, but I still prefer: for($i=0;$i<count($whatever);$i++) { } For what do I need to remember the name of the counter increment? Not only do I not care what it's name is, because it's disposable at that moment, but I won't even be reusing it. And not just because I won't be reusing it --- I can't reuse it. Another reason not to care. Secondly, while Nate R. makes an excellent point about placing some documentation in the head of the script, I still find that some of my favorite characters often go far underused. And they are: // # /* and */ -- </Dan> Daniel P. Brown Senior Unix Geek <? while(1) { $me = $mind--; sleep(86400); } ?> -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php