On Tue, 2007-09-04 at 14:28 -0400, Greg Gay wrote: > Rob/mlists > > You're certainly not encouraging PHP programmers to get involved with > paid open source projects. That's a guaranteed $50,000 a yr, a little > low perhaps by industry standards, but it is a reasonable starting rate, > and gets your foot in the door. > > You should have a look at who the employer is, and what they do. They > (we) are > looking for a person who has done their research. This is more than > just a job. It has the potential to introduce applicants to a world of > experience, not just code crunching, but getting involved with the > groups who introduce new technologies and working on leading edge > projects (groups like the W3C, IMS, ISO, AICC, and many others) . > Experiences you won't get as a programmer for your average software > developer. The ATRC is involved with most standards bodies around the > world, and has dozen of open source projects on the go. > > Becoming university staff takes a couple years, after which salaries are > competivitive with the going rates. Not to mention a full set of > benefits, pension, excellent working environment, including flexible > working hours, travel benefits, free university course (get a masters or > phd for nothing) etc. Most staff start on a casual/contract basis before > being moved into the main stream. Our established programmers do earn in > the 90-100G per year, with benefits on top of that. All included, that's > somewhere in the $60/hr range, with $0 expenses. > > You're auto machanic btw, has overhead included in that rate, so that's > a rather poor comparison. How much do you think he really makes an hour, > after paying expenses out of that $99? And of course 4% isn't a bonus. > Contract workers are paid that weekly, while staff accumulate it so they > can take holidays and get paid. See, now that's a much better job post. Although it's still $25/hr after 5 years of experience on a contract basis with no guarantee of future contracts with good performance. As a contractor one generally charges more to cover the dry times, self-development, dental, prescriptions, retirement, etc, etc. It's not about being greedy, well not for me anyways, it's about covering one's ass in the present and in the future. Have you ever seen the way it usually works in government and any other large businesses... contractors earn more per hour than the regular employees, that's because they need to. Contractors often can't just jump onto any job with stars in their eyes hoping to get a hold of a "maybe" brass ring several years down the road. Cheers, Rob. -- ........................................................... SwarmBuy.com - http://www.swarmbuy.com Leveraging the buying power of the masses! ........................................................... -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
