i dont know Robert; i think it depends upon the structure of ones business. for instance; i work for a company full time, and have a start up of my own. in both of those situations there is no impact on the client in the act of eliminating php4 from the product implementation. the clients never use the code directly. perhaps you are in some different business?? also, there are many, many enhancements to php5 that php4 does not have. most notably the oop facilities. but also, exception handling; re-written XML infrastructure (SimpleXML, DOM) and a host of new functions not found in 4. also, the __autoload feature, and even external tools such as SPL make php5 far superior to php4, imho :) if its a little slower, i dont really care; ill be using optimization techniques and have them mastered w/in the next few months so any innate speed difference will become negligible in my projects. i probly shouldnt use the word idiot and php4 in conjunction, to reflect my feelings because i might actaullly offend some people on the list :) -nathan On 8/25/07, Robert Cummings <robert@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Sat, 2007-08-25 at 00:28 -0500, Larry Garfield wrote: > > On Friday 24 August 2007, Lester Caine wrote: > > > > What would be interesting is if a group picked up PHP4 and kept > going > > > > with it in spite of the end of life announcement a few weeks > back. I > > > > wonder if the PHP license would allow such a thing. How open is it > > > > exactly? > > > > > > The PROBLEM is that supporting PHP4, 5 and now 6 is detracting from > solving > > > some of these problems. Until we can get away from HAVING to support > PHP4, > > > then PHP5 will not get the full fine tuning it needs. Proposing to > maintain > > > a branch of PHP4 will then result n people expecting all of the major > > > frameworks to work on it - and WE need to be able to concentrate on > USING > > > PHP5 properly rather than having to bodge things still to be backwards > > > compatible with PHP4 :( > > > > The "major frameworks" have already agreed that PHP 4 is dead, even > before the > > PHP dev team did. > > > > http://gophp5.org/ > > *yawn* > > > Anyone expecting anything but a custom in-house application to continue > to > > work in PHP 4 by next year is simply not paying attention. Let it rest > in > > peace. > > I think many applications will continue to work in PHP4 regardless of > the gophp5 project. It's not very hard to make applications work in both > PHP4 and PHP5. I would argue that only an idiot needlessly cuts off more > than half of their clientele. Elimination of PHP4 updates doesn't mean > suddenly 100% of the PHP install base becomes PHP5. > > Cheers, > Rob. > -- > ........................................................... > SwarmBuy.com - http://www.swarmbuy.com > > Leveraging the buying power of the masses! > ........................................................... > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > >