Very weird and counter intuitive. Looking at the php manual, I see this: Converting to integer from floating point: "When converting from float to integer, the number will be rounded towards zero." But you'd think the multiplication would happen before the rounding. if you do: $a = ceil(75.82 * 100); you should get the proper answer. This is what I used for testing: <?php $x = 75.82; $y = 100; echo "x is " . gettype($x) . "<br>\n"; echo "y is " . gettype($y) . "<br>\n"; $a = ceil($x * $y); echo "a is " . gettype($a) . "<br>\n"; echo "intval(a) is " . gettype(intval($a)) . "<br>\n"; echo $a . " *** " . intval($a); ?> Not sure that really helps, but seems to be some kind of order of precedence issue. -TG = = = Original message = = = This sort of thing really isn't helpful... <?php $a = 75.82 * 100; echo intval($a); ?> ___________________________________________________________ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php