Re: Re: php framework, large site

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On Wednesday 20 June 2007 03:27, Robert Cummings wrote:

> > 1) study a selection of frameworks and learn from their strengths and
> > weaknesses then go on to create a kickass framework based on what
> > you've learnt
>
> Now, now, let's not pretend that you even nearly suggested that in your
> original answer:
>
>     "It's an extremely inefficient use of precious time.
>    ....
>      at it :)"
>
> You don't offer anything up. Only that pursing the creation of a
> framework is "extremely inefficient use of precious time" by relating
> it to Inventing of the wheel over and over. ...

I still stand by that answer. But IF the OP wanted really really wanted to 
create a new framework then that is where the first paragraph comes in.

> > Please note the distinction between possibility and probability.
>
> Please stay on track.

Note how hard it is to get a straight answer out of you. You said:

> Ah but it is quite possible that the OP will go ahead and try to build
> a framework, he may fail miserably, all the while learning from his
> mistakes. Then he may try again and subsequently build a kickass
> framework. Since not all paths lead to the same conclusion it is just
> as possible that if he doesn't go down this path that he will never
> create a kickass framework no matter how many frameworks he studies.

Which basically is saying, whatever path you choose the outcome may not 
turn out the way you expect, which I summed up as:

> Now you're trudging into the realms of philosophy, crystal ball gazing
> and groundless speculation.

You counter with:

> No, it's simple probability.

Seeking clarification I ask:

> So it's probability now? Which has the greater probability:
>
> 1) study a selection of frameworks and learn from their strengths and
> weaknesses then go on to create a kickass framework based on what
> you've learnt
>
> 2) just jump right in a create a kickass framework
>
> Please note the distinction between possibility and probability.

And finally you dodge the question with:

> Please stay on track.

Similarly I ask at which point you made the word "update" to 
mean "popularity":

> > > > Read what I wrote above, I'm talking about UPDATES (or the lack
> > > > of), not popularity.
> > >
> > > You implied it.
> >
> > Where? How? Maybe the English that they taught me at school is subtly
> > different to the English that you learnt.
>
> I'm moving forward with the discussion, not backwards, Please keep up.
> I've no reason for the discussion to go into circular mode.

And you dismiss the question out of hand - damn you're good at this.

<sarcasm>
> > Still, it's good to know that your code is flawless and can be relied
> > upon.
</sarcasm>

> So obviously I said they were all fallacious. Perhaps you don't
> understand what fallacious means.

Perhaps you don't recognise sarcasm when you see it?

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