-----Original Message----- From: John Meyer [mailto:john.l.meyer@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: 22 January 2007 03:15 To: php-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: most powerful php editor Dear god Arnot, would you like to stand back for a moment and consider how retarded those statements are, or would you like for me to do it for you? Whether you use a powerful IDE or not, you still have to use the same compiler underneath. In PHP, that "compiler" is the web server. Unless you buy an IDE that contains a mini-server for you to test the files, yoru comparison between IDEs and word processors is ludicrous at best. ====================================== That's the point I was trying to make, but obviously not very well. A good PHP IDE does have a built-in web server. It can do profiling, debugging, error high-lighting, project level function cross-checking, scope-checking, defines checking, version control, internal ftp, db front-end, and a whole truckload of other features that help you manage large projects. Sure it's not going to turn a monkey into a coding guru, but it's sure going to help anyone trying to manage large complex environments. I had the fortune to work with a brilliant IBM IDE years ago when I was working in C, and I discovered how much more you can get done (code and complexity) when you use the right tools. When I moved to PHP I struggled for the first while working on a project with more than a hundred files and more than a hundred db tables, using a bunch of unintegrated tools to get the job done. I could make it work but it was a laborious process of cross-checking every step of the way. And the biggest problem was no debugger. Now with a real IDE I can work between 4 and 10 times as fast, and tackle bigger projects and far more complex stuff. But as Robert said, to each their own. BTW I did once have the misfortune of having to prepare about 100 documents for ECITE back in 2002, each doc about 20-50 pages. Between projects and short of cash. I'm no document formatter - I far prefer coding for 18 hrs a day than spending 18 hrs a day formatting documents, no matter how good the word processor. I believe there are people who lap this kind of stuff up, but I'm not one of them. I got the job done but would never do it again. A good example where the right tools can't turn a monkey into a pro. But my point is that not even the pro's could do it properly without the right tools. Arno -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
