You did not get responses (even many funny ones) because what is considered SANE by your standards may not necessarily be SANE by mine. Personally I'd jump from a plane with a chute and back-up chute, but ask my dad and he says I am nuts! Most of us tend to use coding standards we have learned either via other people's code we have read or through our own learnings, whether they be web, classes, books, friends, peers w/ rolled up newspapers... whatever. If you have been reading the list lately, you will see that even the responses to THAT question were "whatever floats your boat". On top of that, what language will your SANE program be verifying? What dialect? MOST of us tend to write in English. I don't imagine all the smart folks on here are in the US with me, but stranger things have happened. One of my users wants to know where the program is that allows her to make the forms and stuff so that she doesn't have to rely on me to do it. She doesn't know code and doesn't know how to pick up the phone and ask a question before screwing up live registrations. She has a form to fill out with required tests now and she has to live with it. As much as I hate 1 point of failure, I hate having to fix blunders from someone too stupid to make a phone call. In short, there is NO MAGIC BULLET to sane code or set principals for coding. The beauty of PHP is its flexibility, but even that can be limited to whatever you want it to be. I don't allow ASP or Short Open tags in code on my server for instance. FYI: Posting your question a second time because you didn't like or get responses the first time is pretty much a waste of your time. No response TYPICALLY means you need to read the archives for a similar question and read the responses to it. We aren't going to take the time to answer a rhetorical question when you can STFW, RTFM, or RTA. Wolf -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php