> > In short, Zend Optimise has *nothing* at all to do with 'making dumb > programmers code better' I'm afraid. > > Cheers, > > Rich I'm not completely sure on this, and if it is true I don't have the links, but I think it does do one thing to "make your code better". That is to use pre-increments wherever possible, since the post-increment requires the parser to store the value first then increment it (or something to that effect). But even then it's really only saving you milliseconds of processing time, which would only make a beneficial improvement on an enterprise system (million-plus hits). Other than that I haven't heard anything else. It won't clean up a whole bunch of loops to something more efficient. In response to your <slight diversion> YES! You are TOTALLY correct. If you write something that uses a loop inside of a loop instead of just one loop (while or for) then it's going to be slower... no matter if it's compiled beforehand or at runtime :) Ray -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php