Hehe, well put...a few things you forgot to write: Ryan A and Rory Browne got so irritated because its like talking to a tree.....in english when the tree only understands some other language :-D that they tried to throw in the towel I was so fed up I was going to drop the whole thing because certain well wishers wrote to me too telling me it was hopeless to try to reason or use logic with him...and I pretty much dropped it till he got the hairs at the back of my neck up by saying i like saying things and running.. so am taking it offlist. Consider this link: http://www.somesite.com/section=servers&something=somethingelse&a=b&b=a&blah=jack&bill=gates&gates=evil&affilate=1145&more=gibberish&claudia=too_good_for_that_magician_guy imagine someone gave you that kind of a link when you asked for help.....pretty good but unless you really searched for it you would miss the affiliate=1145 part...yes, its there..check it out...the affiliate could be smaller too..something like aff=1045 but its lost in the other gibberish of the url... Decency would dictate that the person sending you the link tells you theres an affiliate code there somewhere... thats all I am saying....but I cant seem to get that message accross to someone...so am pretty much throwing in the towel after I have a few words offlist ;-) But all in all, its been a pretty good few weeks on the list with no one asking "which php editor is best" or "how do you make a script sleep for x seconds" or "how do i do **** on the clients machine?" Peace all. Cheers, Ryan On 5/31/2005 12:53:26 AM, Rory Browne (rory.browne@xxxxxxxxx) wrote: > Okay > > Let me summerise what has happened here. > > 1: The OP asked for a free penetration test. > > 2: Chris points out that his firm, which provides the suggested > service, albeit not free, generally recommends a code audit instead. > > 3: Manuel Lemos, points out a site that provides a free sample test. > The url includes a referer id, which Manuel > doesn't see a need to > mention. > > 4: Ryan A, points out that Manuel Lemos is "connected" to the site, > and that his link contains a referer id. He suggests that such facts > be explicitly disclosed. > > 5: Manuel Lemos, responds saying that it is irrelevent, that he gains > income from his link to the site. He states that Chris Shifett is > connected to the site that he mentions, and that the php group earn > money from listing books on their website. > > 6: Ryan A, and Rory Browne(ie me) explain, that users generally like > to know how to treat information they receive. They like to decide for > themselves if the information may be biased. They also discredit > Manuels statments regarding the php groups listing of amazon books. > > 7: Manuel repeats step 5, which results in Rory and Ryan repeating > step 6. This happens numerous times. It becomes clear, that Manuel will not listen to reason, and will instead repeat the same discredited arguments. During this time, others point out that they too would like to be informed of any potential bias, so that they can decide for themselves if the information is actually biased. 8: Anonymous third parties, suggest via private email, that Manuel cannot be reasoned with. I decide that I'd perfer to make such assertions myself, without relying the judgement of others, and give Manuel the benifit of the doubt. Manuel begins making wild accusations, leading Ryan ane Rory to take the discussion off-list, until such stage that a resolution is found. Let me now summerise the above into an even shorter, and clearer message: Grow up, and get a grip. We don't know you well enough to have some wild conspiracy against you. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.3.0 - Release Date: 5/30/2005 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
