Hello Kim, Tuesday, April 19, 2005, 6:44:58 PM, you wrote: K> If you are still looking for "tips" and want to get K> complicated/fancy, I have seen columns used called sort_order more K> than a few times. This should not be too hard to maintain for K> things like a few buildings, etc., where the lookup table does not K> change much over time. You would then have another option for your K> "oder by" clause. I understand what you mean, but I'm still in the same boat. There is no join between the four tables (mainly because I didn't think you were supposed to do joins on four tables. I've written a couple other replies which I think more clearly state where my problem is so I won't retype them here. Thanks though. -- Leif (TB lists moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 3.0.9.17 Return under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php