Actually there are a lot of panhandlers in Beijing, at least around some of the temples. I asked our guide about this last summer, as I mistakenly thought that China was still pretty much a socialist state. He said that there were still a lot of people, mostly disabled, that were not adequately taken care of by the state, hence the need to be out on the streets begging. I got the impression that the Chinese “rock bottom” was somewhat lower than that in the US.
But still, I concur with you about the level of industriousness (and enthusiasm) of the Chinese. They do seem to make Americans look a bit on the lazy side.
rand
I learned so much living in China about how lazy americans are these days. When I show pictures of the poor I am showing how impressed I am by what they seem to be accomplishing without a welfare check. You won't find a pan handler in Beijing but every day at 5pm the street vendors will sell you just about anything you can imagine. of course they have a much better safety net for the very rock bottom.
I like this one as well.
Randy S. Little
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On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Tina Manley <images@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Would you prefer charity or non-profit organization?
Tina
On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 5:01 PM, Jan Faul <jan@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Yeah, I read your post. It contained too many references to my least favorite modern ‘word’ NGO.
On Jan 4, 2014, at 4:57 PM, Tina Manley wrote:
Did you read my post, Jan? I spent half of my time working with the poor in the USA for over 30 years. I don't photograph in Honduras because it's easier. It's some of the hardest photography I've ever done but I love Honduras and Hondurans. The people always made me feel welcome and a part of the family. The families I stay with in Honduras have absolutely no material possessions, only each other and a very hard work ethic. How much time have you spent with poor families in the USA? I stayed with families that were recommended by the NGO's who were helping them. The elderly and handicapped were very deserving of every bit of help they got. Not so for most of the able-bodied families. No one is as poor as the average family in Honduras and no one works as hard to get out of poverty. I seriously considered moving to Honduras and may still. Would my photos be legitimate if I lived there full-time?
Tina
On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Jan Faul <jan@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Because too many wannabe American photographers travel to countries with brown-skinned people to shoot stories when there is a lot to work with here in the US. This has been a criticism of your work in the past, and yet here it is again. I have been under the impression that Roy Stryker’s FSA photographers during the great Depression from 1935-44 inspired photographers a generation later to go forth and shoot social realism and anti-poverty images. I think the FSA inspired street photographers like Lee Friedlander, Robert Frank, Diane Arbus, Bruce Davidson, and others when they discovered that our supposedly ordinary lives were anything but. There is a lot to work with here and a lot could be done to show mainstream Americans that not all that much has changed between the 1930s and right now.
Why do I think photographers like you do this? Because there are fewer rights to privacy in Honduras and anywhere south of the Rio Grande, than there are in Oklahoma or say Indiana. It is more exciting to go to a foreign country than it is to drive to a location a few states away and work with Americans to show that life here can be as brutal as life in Central America. Very few photographers have gone to great lengths to honor the people of a host country by shooting striking images which bring a host country’s troubles to our attention.
I know you are a dedicated photographer and I also know you do not have to shoot brown-skinned kids to make your point. Poverty (no matter where ) will never be eradicated and most especially not here in the US where the streets are supposedly paved with gold.
Jan
On Jan 4, 2014, at 3:41 PM, Tina Manley wrote:
Why?
Tina
On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Jan Faul <jan@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
This shot would have been much more powerful if the location was Arkansas or Oklahoma or other US state.
On Jan 4, 2014, at 1:41 PM, Randy Little wrote:
tina there is probably not much you could have done its a great shot. but that decapitated pig (having lived and worked in similar place) makes me think that pig is decapitated and dead. Also it looks like you have done some dodging on the faces maybe? The blacks look lifted a touch and seem odd. Is that a lens flare or retouched faces?
Randy S. Little
http://www.rslittle.com/
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Yes there are a spattering of beggars in tourist areas. I might have been being a little big figurative based on other places in the world. You will notice the only people giving beggars anything are westerners. In the non Tourist areas where I lived there where was one lady that was always around. She would yell at me for my whole walk home from the studio to my apartment. Other then that everyday at 5pm the street vendors where out to sell anything and everything Now transpose NYC, Los Angles, Seattle and pretty much all of India with pretty much all of China. Mumbai vs Beijing?
Did you go to 789 space while in Beijing?
I lived in Haidian
On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 6:37 AM, Paladin <ranflory@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
