Its been a fascinating correspondence, but 2014 awaits me with all its wonders to come, so I'll have a final word on the subject of "effort". It seems to me that some are saying that "a great deal of effort" expended in the taking of a photo means it somehow must be a "good" picture. So if I slog up to Half-Dome with a monster view camera then the result must be a good picture - and if I go there with a 41 million pixel Nokia 1050 phone, then the result somehow has to be less good. I think the differing views here are fascinating, part of life's rich tapestry ! So forward to Jan. 7, - what is that you say ? - well its C.E.S. time again. Dan Mitchell danmdan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 5:38 AM, Dan Mitchell <danmdan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >>> Dan Mitchell >>> danmdan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> >>> >>> And what a convenience it is ! No more darkroom, no more smelly chemicals, no more stained carpets and baths, no drying, no glazing - these are but a few of the "conveniences" we now can and (mostly) do enjoy. If we had to have the least convenience we would all be going back to horse drawn portable darkrooms and wet plates.