Re: Is this something or nothing?

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My first post here to this group and being a novice, take anything I say with a grain of salt.

Last year I tried a panorama shot with my 35mm camera. I covered somewhere around 200+ degrees on the horizontal. What I did and it seemed to work rather well was:

Set up and leveled a tripod, then attached my camera to a two-axis macro adjust "hickey". I then "stood up" a broom handle about 10 to 15 feet in front of the camera. Looking through the viewfinder I rotated the camera to the left, so that the broom handle was at the right edge of the picture. Since I live in the woods I noted a particular tree, that was some distance away, that was just at the edge of the broom handle. I then rotated the camera to the right until the broom handle was at the left edge of the picture and looked to see if the "tree" was in the same relative location to the broom handle prior to rotating the camera. Of course it wasn't. I think they refer to this as parallax. I then began adjusting the camera further forward and checked the broom handle/tree positions until they appeared to remain in the same relative position with each other. Made a note of the camera position, took the setup into the open countryside and took a series of pictures. Almost got a perfect match on all the shots.

Now having said that....My father always said, "Even a blind hog will find an acorn once in a while". Haven't tried to duplicate this since.

Walter Mayes


----- Original Message ----- From: "ADavidhazy" <andpph@xxxxxxx> To: "List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students" <photoforum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: Is this something or nothing?


Ken,

I am not 100% on this but it turns out that rotating about the rear nodal point is something required for "swing lens" cameras such as the Panon or Panoram (if you remember that far back!). When you do this the image remains stationary at the
image plane.

But when you rotate about this point (along vertical axis for sure) it turns out that the positional relationship between foreground and background objects changes
as the camera turns.

This is not the same thing as the image moving ... well, it does in a way ... it simply (?) means that when the camera is looking to the right (foreground vs. background objects) objects at the left appear in a different location with respect to each other. For rotating lens cameras the changes in position of objects is of no consequence if it happens while the camera is rotated ... as long as at the time the slot passes over a given line in the scene the subjects do not move relative to
each other. But before or after that time it does not matter.

So the camera needs to be rotated about something other than the rear nodal point to keep the relationship between foreground and background objects fixed. This would be a rotation axis running vertically through the lens at some other point than the front or rear nodal point. If I read "stuff" about this correctly this would be the center of perspective or the "entrance pupil" of the lens. I call is a "magical
point" or axis.  ;)

Anyway, maybe a list member with experience with tripod heads such as the Kaidan
can further enlighten us on this topic. No?

andy

PS: written in a hurry just before leaving for a party!!




Ken Sinclair wrote:

Sir Andrew of Rochester,


If my aging memory serves me well enough, I believe I was taught that
the for panoramics (by camera rotation) the 'rotation point' had to be dirtectly
under the nodal point of the lens.

Now... where did I leave my specs?

Ken

On 11-Apr-09, at 11:38 AM, ADavidhazy wrote:


trolling of course! (forgive me if you can!)

http://people.rit.edu/andpph/text-panoramic-bar.html

again, it turns out it is not new ... written off the
top of my head and there is not much there anymore!

;)
andy


Quando omni flunkus moritati (R. Green)





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