Alan writes: : : Karl, : : oops, sorry - now I found it! Dare I load it and not expect trouble? : Have you tried it? yes I did something I don't often do and took the plunge now bear in mind I'm running an 'old' operating system.. which hopefully I shall have to rights some time tomorrow grr though I have heard favourable reviews from those with XP that all runs well . if you use Internet Explorer as your browser of choice (something else I avoid). My post was more about the big 3D push and where we're heading and by 3D I don't mean the 3D *we* do, more the video card 3D rendering stuff - which is the antithesis of 2D photo imaging, all code based fog effects, surfaces and stuff.. but it is something that will take off pretty quickly and those wanting to hop aboard might do well to consider this new vehicle and how they can best utilize it k