Andy : : I could not get that PDF but I believe there are probably more than three. RMIT : being one. Probably a part of Brooks Institute (industrial photography) being : another. A part of RIT's several programs (Biomedical and Imaging/Photo : Technology). So that is three. : : But I believe that there are also several in Europe. Technical Universities in : Switzerland and Germany ... as well as France. Oh, and England of course where : there are several schools that offer excellent programs meeting the criterion. : Problem is I don't remember their name but Sydney Ray is/was at one of them. Mt Lawley college of TAFE in perth, WA *used* to be one, the course is still offered as a science course but it's slowly eroded over time since moving to the main perth campus.. sadly I can't recommend it anymore, even though the college still promotes it as a science course :( k