In a message dated 2/16/05 3:02:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, BobTalbot@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: After all, photographers have been staging street scenes for over a century, using actors. ************************ Yes, and I seen pictures of mannequins in store windows. These events in the external world were still captured on film so they are still photography. Photography is a process of making images that exist in the real world first and then manipulating them into whatever. Making the image on a computer screen from a non photographic source is not photography. I see a different definition to what Andy meant by reality, A definition of reality based on objects and people in the external world. Roy