> (damn I wish I could get the same flat images as a digital half-frame with > my old 8x10) Karl If you have not got talent, have not got an eye for a picture, digital can be your salvation. It's the "monkey's with typewriters" phenomenon: take enough shots [arms length on auto] and eventually you will have a winner. It still won't make you a great photographer, but it might (at random) yield an occasional winning shot. If you want flat images, put them in a trouser press! Bob