Doug, the secret is in never begging ... threats are OK although they don't seem to work with Colette - I'd try the sweets approach with her. as for the URL of the first set I am afraid I will have to hold back on that as I put these together "outside of the original framework" or plan for the collective assembly of the cards. If I am released by Luis from my sworn promise to abide by the rules I will be happy to share the fruits of the creative efforts of ten exceptional, dedicated and responsible (!!) list members. cheerio, andy
